The_Valeyard wrote: » Yawn.
Walter2016 wrote: » Exactly - same every year.
feardeas wrote: » I have a few observations. The mandate is clear. Full disclosure I'm against this action. I fully accept the result and until such time as voluntary schools become dual union I'll play my part. I see no point in waiting for s and s notice. Ye want to pull out then give the minimum notice and get on with it. The hell that will come will come regardless. RE strike. Most lp teachers in my school are not in the union and apparently have no intention of joining. Why is there no mechanism for strike pay from our union? Do staff in the union get their salary during strike days or are they waived in solidarity with those of us that they represent. Do members of standing commitee get expenses for travelling. If they do are these paid to them while they travel around to have their photo taken on strike days? Given that there isn't strike pay would the union maybe spend money on sending the general secretary to elocution lessons. Fast.
Mrwhite1970 wrote: » Disputes are not about PR. Teachers worry too much about media. Bus worker's hit hard quickly . You delay you allow department to get its act together. Typical teachers afraid of their shadow! Maximum pain brings results. We ain't going on a picnic . The media hate us. Accept that. You will lose the little public support we have quickly. Its about maximum pissing your employer off asap
acequion wrote: » Much and all as I agree with most of what you say,Mrwhite, I feel that you're being a tad OTT here and I have often seen you being conciliatory on other issues. Up to now we have actually acted in a way that is beyond reproach. We've honoured all commitments and taken the proper channels.So waiting a few weeks to ensure that all angles are covered won't do us any harm here. Granted the media hate us and personally there's no love lost as far as i'm concerned but at the end of the day we're teachers, not bus drivers for all I agree with their stance. We're in a caring profession so we do need to show good faith. After that let the war break out!
clunked wrote: » Your last sentence there is offensive.
Lord TSC wrote: » This was a great post. Lads and lasses, the sad fact is that there's already a massive amount of people who don't like teachers; "overpaid, too many holidays, blah blah". You're never going to win these people round to understanding the issues teachers face, you're never going to win the PR battle. The people who hate teachers already hate teachers. At some point, ye need to accept this and realise, as the bus drivers did, as the Luas drivers did...the first priority should be about making conditions the best they can be for the teachers. Not caring about what other people think. I say this as someone who trained as a teacher and ultimately had to abandon the profession because there was more focus on maintaining good PR than there was on fighting for the rights of the NQT; as someone who watched 90% of the people I trained with either leave the country or leave the profession. Intelligent people with new ideas, who joined the profession cause they wanted to teach...these are the people ye should be grabbing hold of and holding on tightly to. Forget public perception. Teachers have the real power. If schools strike, the country shuts down. It's time to use that power to improve conditions for teachers, which in turn will improve conditions for students as well (the industry needs the best and brightest, not to be chasing them away to other jobs/countries). Stop fighting the PR battle. It's the wrong one to be fighting.
Mrwhite1970 wrote: » Im not sure what your point is ? Not all management these days are Asti. But even if they are they carry out their jobs. They don't really do s and s. They organize it. Nothing will Change that. NAPD is a bastard child of the department. Same for JMB. Neither reconises the other as family but they are family
As well as the threat of school closures if ASTI’s 18,000 members stop doing supervision and substitution before plans to hire replacement staff are finalised, which could take seven weeks, strike days are also likely in an effort to get all teachers hired after 2011 on equal pay with longer- serving colleagues.
Iused2likebusts wrote: » Surely we should be getting paid for S and S if they want us to do it until suitable replacements can be found. Otherwise we are mugs if we continue to do it.
political analyst wrote: » The Irish Times said
kerryguy78 wrote: » So there is a few quid back in the coffers so let's all jump on the wagon and grab grab grab, this country will never change as long as there is unions holding the country to ransom
Inspector Coptoor wrote: » I must have missed the part when our teachers ran the country off the economic cliff.... Oh wait, we didn't. We were asked to tighten our belts and take the pain "for the national good", and we did. We cannot stand idly by as our colleagues are subjected to 20% les pay for doing the same work.
