km79 wrote: » What do we expect to happen now
deiseindublin wrote: » I'd imagine they'll give notice tomorrow for Monday, 7 November to look more reasonable. Gives them 3.5 more weeks to get the finger out. 7 days notice wouldn't do much for PR, 14 days notice brings you to midterm so may as well give the 3.5w.
Mrwhite1970 wrote: » Disputes are not about PR. Teachers worry too much about media. Bus worker's hit hard quickly . You delay you allow department to get its act together. Typical teachers afraid of their shadow! Maximum pain brings results. We ain't going on a picnic . The media hate us. Accept that.
km79 wrote: » We also have to think about the students . Starting the action first week back after midterm is the way to go
Mrwhite1970 wrote: » Are you for real ? What sort of job are we doing now burdened by cut backs and bull **** initiatives? A properly paid and supported work force is way to support pupils. Would you want a burnt out third class honours graduate teaching your kid ? Thats the future . Most teachers never vetted. Do you want to win dispute ?
Villain wrote: » The reporter on RTÉ earlier stated that TUI members etc would behind to get paid tomorrow for S&S does anyone know if that is the case? I know my wife's pay slip today didn't have S&S pay on it
km79 wrote: » One week extra of S and S is not the winning and losing of this dispute
Mrwhite1970 wrote: » It would be indicative of a of a softly softly approach. Could u see bus workers doing the same ?
Mrwhite1970 wrote: » Disputes are not about PR. Teachers worry too much about media. Bus worker's hit hard quickly . You delay you allow department to get its act together. Typical teachers afraid of their shadow! Maximum pain brings results. We ain't going on a picnic . The media hate us. Accept that. You will lose the little public support we have quickly. Its about maximum pissing your employer off asap
coillsaille wrote: » PR and fair media coverage are things that teachers lost many years ago and will probably never regain. The DES were notified that this ballot would be held during this term months ago. They already knew at that stage that they wouldn't be giving us the payments promised for SnS so therefore they pretty much knew what the ballot result would be. As has been said above, we've already done it for free for 6 weeks. The ASTI are a trade union and they need to use the power of industrial action such as this withdrawal to its' maximum effect to fight for what we were promised under an agreement we honoured in full. A week's notice is appropriate given the time the DES have had to prepare already. As for concern for students if schools close, there are mitigation steps that could be taken.I could see things happening like for example - leavings certs only in for 3 days a weeks, junior certs only for 2 days a week and supervised by management and sub-teachers already in the school.
political analyst wrote: » But many principals and deputy principals are ASTI members.
tayto lover wrote: » Public opinion does not pay the bills lads. Get ready for the fight. If you lose this you may never win another.
Mrwhite1970 wrote: » Its in the hands of SC. If they go softly its over and in my mind delaying s and s ban until nov is softly softly. We need 6 days out. Nov. If they fail on both counts its look for the tweak time and im out of the ASTI
acequion wrote: » Much and all as I agree with most of what you say,Mrwhite, I feel that you're being a tad OTT here and I have often seen you being conciliatory on other issues. Up to now we have actually acted in a way that is beyond reproach. We've honoured all commitments and taken the proper channels.So waiting a few weeks to ensure that all angles are covered won't do us any harm here. Granted the media hate us and personally there's no love lost as far as i'm concerned but at the end of the day we're teachers, not bus drivers for all I agree with their stance. We're in a caring profession so we do need to show good faith. After that let the war break out!
tosh999 wrote: » Management in voluntary and community schools are tired of being being used by the DES and resultingly being abused by a minority of staff who vent their anger on local management. Many Principals will not be prepared to head into recruiting supervisors etc and shoring up the system yet again, knowing that a negotiated settlement will have to be arrived at. Its my opinion that many Principals will advise their BOM to just shut the schools on Health and Safety grounds in order to speed up the resolution of this absolute mess.
acequion wrote: » You'd have to wonder though what will the resolution be. Will we end up in that goddamned Landsdowne Road? I hear Bruton on six one harping on about flexibility on the CP hours.Having done this first term without those awful hours there is just no way I ever want to see them back! I'm an older teacher, still full of enthusiasm and motivation but find the job is full enough as is.And then there's the new JC. Personally I'm ok with a new course but not with CBAs and SLARs. So there are many battles and the DES have already made it clear to the ASTI negotiators that they want everything resolved this time in one settlement. So what will that settlement look like?
feardeas wrote: » I have a few observations. The mandate is clear. Full disclosure I'm against this action. I fully accept the result and until such time as voluntary schools become dual union I'll play my part. I see no point in waiting for s and s notice. Ye want to pull out then give the minimum notice and get on with it. The hell that will come will come regardless. RE strike. Most lp teachers in my school are not in the union and apparently have no intention of joining. Why is there no mechanism for strike pay from our union? Do staff in the union get their salary during strike days or are they waived in solidarity with those of us that they represent. Do members of standing commitee get expenses for travelling. If they do are these paid to them while they travel around to have their photo taken on strike days? Given that there isn't strike pay would the union maybe spend money on sending the general secretary to elocution lessons. Fast.
acequion wrote: » feardeas you obviously voted in the minority and that's fair enough. But how do you know that there is no strike pay? That's news to me. This will be the third time I have been on strike since I started teaching. Once as part of the full public sector day of action in the winter of 2009 [I think] and twice in the winter of 2014 as part of the junior cycle dispute. We did not receive strike pay on those occasions. Re union staff getting paid,well they're not teachers,they're not actually striking so is that not a moot point and are you not being a bit bitchy? I mean what difference does it make as long as the union does what it's paid to do and that is represent us? Which means working while we are on strike? I'm not being bitchy. I simply think that it would be a move in solidarity. I'm not necessarily referring to admin staff but perhaps the general secretary who is on a salary linked to PO in the civil service could, ditto for his deputies. Just an observation. Mind you it seems that IR in HQ may not be that healthy anyway.
Walter2016 wrote: » Has there ever been a year where asti members did not threaten or hold a strike? If they put as much effort into teaching as they do into their annual "we're going on strike" mission, the country would be awash with geniuses.
