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Dairy Chit Chat- Please read Mod note in post #1

Timmaay

24/6/16

Recently we saw three posters close their accounts over disagreements in the dairy threads. While there is a lot of frustration and discontent with current milk prices and the processing industry, the recent tendency for dairy threads to become tit-for-tat arguments isn’t tolerable for those not involved.

All farming sectors go through difficult periods and during such times there may need to be changes in how threads are moderated.

Dairy threads are going to be more closely monitored and subject to stricter moderation for a while.

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10 away from the 10000 posts! Frazz I think it's fair to say this thread has been a success!

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Buford T. Justice XIX

Mooooo wrote: »

Would the waikito type metre jars be better then the DIY buford? No jars in our parlour but with extra units I'd have to get extra metres for recording anyway

I wouldn't say so, Mooooo, the Munster meters match the volumes, speed of milking and sample bottle to every cow. They have some issues like some units being unable to read the barcode on some bottles and blockages in some units from lack of vaccum but they leave 2 spare units so they can be swapped if needed.. And you also have to do a very hot acid wash after morning milking.

kevthegaff wrote: »

How much is it per cow BTJ for 4 tests per year?

Iirc, it's about 11euro a cow, Kev.

freedominacup

Mooooo wrote: »

Would the waikito type metre jars be better then the DIY buford? No jars in our parlour but with extra units I'd have to get extra metres for recording anyway

No, no, no, no. The greatest cnuts of yokes ever in a parlour. Diy metre a pleasure by comparison. I have a head covered in scars after those waikato balls of sh1te. I'd never record again if I had to go back to them. I think we'll get recorder to stay during calving in future. Too much else on to tie two into the parlour for a slow milking.

Sillycave

[I actually haven't hugely in one sense. I am still only planning 5years max into the future, any investments need to pay for themselves within 5 or 6years (equivalent to a 20%roi), my exit door is still quite nearby if milk was to flatline at 20c or less etc. Leasing land or going into partnership like KG still leaves my options wayy more open than say buying land and spending 20years paying for itself.]

Timmay how are you calculating a roi of 20% on the likes of a milking parlour and new cubicles (which i presume includes slurry storage, shed, etc.)
Just interested to see your calculations for this return?

kevthegaff

Buford T. Justice V wrote:

Munster are offering the option of an assistant to help with DIY recording next year. It should be popular, I reckon.

How much is it per cow BTJ for 4 tests per year?

Mooooo

Would the waikito type metre jars be better then the DIY buford? No jars in our parlour but with extra units I'd have to get extra metres for recording anyway

Buford T. Justice XIX

kowtow wrote: »

How does DIY recording work vs. normal recording? It's one of those costs which tend to hit the small herd a bit harder I think.

I signed up for five Munster sessions, just done one and will do four next year, but ideally we'd do DIY recording every month I suppose.

Have jars anyway so yield no problem, just cell count and the rest of it.

To be honest DIY is probably just as easy with a small herd and a tiny pit, although recorder the other day was very welcome and she couldn't have been better company while milking.. will certainly do the five sessions before changing.

You connect the meters up to the cluster and the milk flows through the meter where it is recorded and sampled before hitting the jar. The pit gets very cluttered with jars and meters though. You input the cows number and remove the full sample and replace with an empty container.

It's really sllllloooooooowwwwwwwwwww.

In the morning you just input the cow number so it's easier.

The best part of recording is the evening after recording, milking just flies:)

kowtow

Buford T. Justice V wrote: »

Munster are offering the option of an assistant to help with DIY recording next year. It should be popular, I reckon.

How does DIY recording work vs. normal recording? It's one of those costs which tend to hit the small herd a bit harder I think.

I signed up for five Munster sessions, just done one and will do four next year, but ideally we'd do DIY recording every month I suppose.

Have jars anyway so yield no problem, just cell count and the rest of it.

To be honest DIY is probably just as easy with a small herd and a tiny pit, although recorder the other day was very welcome and she couldn't have been better company while milking.. will certainly do the five sessions before changing.

whelan2

Mooooo wrote: »

How much? Saved about 4500 in their bill by using existing straws in the pot and quiting recording, will go back recording again as had scc issues last month

I record in the a6 scheme its every 6 weeks rather than every month. Saves a bit too

Buford T. Justice XIX

Mooooo wrote: »

How much? Saved about 4500 in their bill by using existing straws in the pot and quiting recording, will go back recording again as had scc issues last month

No idea yet as just got a notification text this morning.

Mooooo

Buford T. Justice V wrote: »

Munster are offering the option of an assistant to help with DIY recording next year. It should be popular, I reckon.

How much? Saved about 4500 in their bill by using existing straws in the pot and quiting recording, will go back recording again as had scc issues last month

Buford T. Justice XIX

Munster are offering the option of an assistant to help with DIY recording next year. It should be popular, I reckon.

Freejin

Timmaay wrote: »

Random question here, what hight shed can the typical concrete lorry fit under? Got a feed passage to do next week and it would be great if I can avoiding having to draw it all in with the tractor bucket!

Be careful if you're tight for height, had to leave air out of tyres here once , as the load was emptying the truck was getting higher!

Water John

Some don't like using elevator for walls as it sort of separates out the concrete.
No such problem for floors.
Get the elevator and spend your time ensuring that its screeded right not driving around, like a blue arsed fly trying to look after everything.

freedominacup

Waffletraktor wrote: »

Any local tillage guys got a telescopic and big grain bucket either.

Not something I'd put my teleporter at esp with a grain bucket. Serious weight. Concrete residue in bucket etc.

[Deleted User]

freedominacup wrote: »

How much have you to pour? 3 tonne dumper del and collected should be less than €200 for the day. You'd collect a 1 tonne mini yourself for €100. Bring around a half metre per trip. Loader bucket a waste of time. You'll end up paying for delaying lorries.

Any local tillage guys got a telescopic and big grain bucket either.

freedominacup

Timmaay wrote: »

Random question here, what hight shed can the typical concrete lorry fit under? Got a feed passage to do next week and it would be great if I can avoiding having to draw it all in with the tractor bucket!

How much have you to pour? 3 tonne dumper del and collected should be less than €200 for the day. You'd collect a 1 tonne mini yourself for €100. Bring around a half metre per trip. Loader bucket a waste of time. You'll end up paying for delaying lorries.

Water John

That's a small truck for Keohane's, Kowtow. Normally 8,10 and 12.Cu metres.

I'd say most are around the 12ft high as Right says. Be safe and order the elevator.

RightTurnClyde

Timmaay wrote: »

Random question here, what hight shed can the typical concrete lorry fit under? Got a feed passage to do next week and it would be great if I can avoiding having to draw it all in with the tractor bucket!

Gleesons say their trucks are 12ft.
If they can't get in order a truck with an elevator, I had one out last year and he was able to elevator it back 45 ft, they can put a pipe onto that and get you back another 15-20ft.
They charged me €50 extra per Lorry with elevator.
(They discounted me the surcharge once it actually came to paying)

kowtow

kevthegaff wrote: »

Off your head:-)

Never know when you'd be in a tight spot and need a bit of concrete..

kevthegaff

blackdog1 wrote:

I see his account is closed. It's a great pity, the best poster on this forum on animal feed and nutrition. He's a huge loss to this forum.

He also could sell ya a cheep tractor!

kevthegaff

kowtow wrote:

What are the dimensions of the Keohane Readymix trucks? 6 cubic metres Overall width - excluding mirrors 2542mm Overall width - including mirrors 3101mm Overall length 8235mm 1st chute pivot to end of 2nd chute 2440mm 1st chute pivot to end of 3rd chute 1830mm 8 cubic metres Overall width - excluding mirrors 2542mm Overall width - including mirrors 3101mm Overall length 9760mm 1st chute pivot to end of 2nd chute 1983mm 1st chute pivot to end of 3rd chute 2694mm

Off your head:-)

kowtow

Timmaay wrote: »

Random question here, what hight shed can the typical concrete lorry fit under? Got a feed passage to do next week and it would be great if I can avoiding having to draw it all in with the tractor bucket!

Doesn't seem to give height but these are the other dimensions.....

What are the dimensions of the Keohane Readymix trucks?
6 cubic metres
Overall width - excluding mirrors 2542mm
Overall width - including mirrors 3101mm
Overall length 8235mm
1st chute pivot to end of 2nd chute 2440mm
1st chute pivot to end of 3rd chute 1830mm
8 cubic metres
Overall width - excluding mirrors 2542mm
Overall width - including mirrors 3101mm
Overall length 9760mm
1st chute pivot to end of 2nd chute 1983mm
1st chute pivot to end of 3rd chute 2694mm

Timmaay

Random question here, what hight shed can the typical concrete lorry fit under? Got a feed passage to do next week and it would be great if I can avoiding having to draw it all in with the tractor bucket!

blackdog1

Sillycave wrote:

Is the Dawg gone?? what did i miss?

I see his account is closed. It's a great pity, the best poster on this forum on animal feed and nutrition. He's a huge loss to this forum.

Sam Kade

visatorro wrote: »

Remember the first time I milked, in all the excitement I forgot to take off milk for calves. Got given out to from a height, fecks sake!!!!

I remember the first time I milked I was left at it.

kowtow

kowtow wrote: »

Just got my milk recording results, which because we don't supply the co-op are actually the first measure we've ever had of what the cows are up to.

All cows HO/FR except one RO and all on once a day this year. 80% of the herd 3rd lactation or earlier.

SCC overall 161 but a lot of that was one poor old girl at 385, who had been feeding calves and is almost dry. Barely managed to strip a sample of milk from her when the recorder was in. Will have to work a bit on her. Half the herd under 100K which I think is ok for once a day? We're going to go back to twice a day any way next season so not going to get excited.

305 day yield 5707kg, 4.40 F, 3.50P, 4.69 L% (lactose?)

Need to get the girls some protein bars.

Can't find the pregnancy results on icbf maybe they come separately.

Pregnancy results now in and everything milking in calf except the same old girl with the 385 cell count. Didn't scan the handful of heifers yet.

She's a cow I bought earlier in the year and is also the slowest milker I have ever seen (although ironically she's the best we have EBI-wise). Am half wondering whether she calved at all this year despite the fact she was sold in a dispersal sale as having done so. Must check ICBF in more detail but she's not doing much to keep her place in the herd!

Genghis Cant

Sillycave wrote: »

Is the Dawg gone?? what did i miss?

Welcome along.
You didn't miss anything. And as usual we don't discuss such matters!
Nothing to see here. Move along. Enjoy the view!

Sillycave

Is the Dawg gone?? what did i miss?

Timmaay

whelan2 wrote: »

Dont ya just hate when the last row comes in and you realise you're missing some cows :mad:

It was a definite sign of progress for me I was able to even know what number were meant to be in the last row ha, back when we calved for 10months of the year the number in the parlour would be changing almost every single day.

atlantic mist

Buford T. Justice V wrote: »

Double drycow tube? Sealers?

I would use Tylosin on younger cows as there seems better results. 3 millionaires this year probably going to get hit with everything I can use. Just a PITA dealing with them and disinfection of the cluster and gloves. I'm hoping for 2 with low scc next year but keeping just 1 will be better than breakeven for the cost.

I've seen hurricane talked about but haven't seen it yet. My vet hasn't it in stock but it would be interesting to use when he gets it in.

ya double dry cow and sealer, does the job for us, can get long acting dry cow for high scc cows