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Official Conor McGregor thread (part 2). Read warning in 1st post

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The last thread was nearing the 10k post limit so here's part 2.

The same rules as the last thread apply here. People seem to have strong opinions either way when it comes to McGregor and threads here tend to get a bit heated from time to time. Please keep it civil and discuss all things Conor in a mature way.
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wonderfullife

nomadchocolate wrote: »

Wasn't Mendes millimeters away from locking in his sub on Conor?

He had the neck and Conor implemented the escape. Worth noting that he went for the precise same guillotine escape against Nate Diaz, which failed because Diaz got a hook in with his right foot preventing conor from helicopter'ing around.

People tend to forget that. Conor was absolutely on wobbly legs and rocked but he still had his wits about him to try execute the escape he knows best. It was only when Nate flattened him out that he sort of just accepted defeat.

Depp

nomadchocolate wrote: »

Wasn't Mendes millimeters away from locking in his sub on Conor?

not really, he had the beginnings of a guillotine choke alright but conor escaped fairly easily, fantastic bit of jiu jitsu

nomadchocolate

Wasn't Mendes millimeters away from locking in his sub on Conor?

wonderfullife

MagicIRL wrote: »

Both employ different takedown games. Diaz will utilise a lot of judo throws, trips and off the clinch takedowns. Alvarez will blast for the double leg over and over again.

Firas Zahabi said if he was coaching Eddie he'd advise him to constantly go for the single-into-double leg takedown. That because of Conors stance and range it would be much easier to single-leg the lead-leg, get him against the fence and then into the double.

GiftofGab wrote: »

This is not an easy match up. People are giving too much credit to McGregor. Alverez can punch.

Look at McGregor s career to date. Holloway was at the start of his career Holloway is a diffent fighter now (so is Conor). He fought Mendes on 2 weeks notice. Ok he did well against Aldo but he was never tested. He lost against Diaz on short notice too. Went the distance on Diaz match 2. Diaz doesn t have the greatest of careers he has plenty of losses.

People thinking 1^st or 2^nd round KO to McGregor need to think again. I can see this going the distance.

These are common arguments.

But you could apply these retrospective/subjective arguments to most fighters.

Let me give you an example:

Look at Eddie Alvarez career. He's the UFC champion after blitzing RDA. He fought Chandler twice and there's a case that he lost both fights. He fought a gun-shy, under-confident Pettis and there's a case he lost that fight. There's a case he could have been stopped in the 1st round against Gilbert Melendez and there's also a case he lost that fight. He lost against Cerrone.

They are the only stellar names he has fought in his career. So he's 4-2 against the 5 star names he has fought in his career and there's at least a case that he could be 1-5.

Outside of those the highest competition he beat was either Aoki or Freire, and Freire is currently sitting at 16-8.

My point is you can use any set of parameters to 'explain' or diminish or knock someone for what they have achieved and it's usually foolish to do so.

Conor and Eddie are the champions of their divisions and we should, in general, try to respect their achievements.

Lukker- wrote: »

Where does the notion of Alvarez being chinny come from? He's only been TKO'd once

He's been dropped 6 or 7 times in his professional career. I'll get the full list later but off the top of my head it's Nick Thompson, Andre Amade, Michael Chandler, Donald Cerrone, Shinya Aoki all either buckled his legs or dropped him from strikes.

There's 2 ways to interpret that - he shows great heart/recovery is one interpretation. But he absolutely has a suspect chin in the sense he can be dropped easily enough.

On the other hand, Conor has never been dropped in a fight. Diaz rocked him with a 1-2 but he didn't fall.

Chin advantage has to be with Conor on the evidence to date. Plus, while it's only one fight, the Buchinger fight was when he looked his best. I think his power and speed will be optimum at 155.

TheNap

MartyDublin wrote: »

Chinny doesnt mean KOd it means he shows his chin and is vulnerable to attack.

Im sorry but chinny has always meant being vulnerable to being ko'd.

MartyDublin

Lukker- wrote: »

Where does the notion of Alvarez being chinny come from? He's only been TKO'd once

Chinny doesnt mean KOd it means he shows his chin and is vulnerable to attack.

Lukker-

Where does the notion of Alvarez being chinny come from? He's only been TKO'd once

Saipanne

I thought Mac won the first round of the Mendes fight, he had him pinned against the cage with shots for almost all of it.

Useful.Idiot

EagererBeaver wrote: »

Hang on, you think McGregor dominated Mendes when he was on his back?! He coped exceptionally well but denying he was in trouble is just ridiculously blinkered.

Depends on your definition of trouble I suppose. Conor was never hurt or at risk of being submitted and Chad was just scoring points with the glancing elbows.

Agree Conor was not dominating. He was losing both rounds on points until the KO anyways. Maybe if you're the type who sees a KO win as domination regardless of the rest of the fight.

EagererBeaver

Hang on, you think McGregor dominated Mendes when he was on his back?! He coped exceptionally well but denying he was in trouble is just ridiculously blinkered.

sonofenoch

GiftofGab wrote: »

This is not an easy match up. People are giving too much credit to McGregor. Alverez can punch.

Look at McGregor s career to date. Holloway was at the start of his career Holloway is a diffent fighter now (so is Conor). He fought Mendes on 2 weeks notice. Ok he did well against Aldo but he was never tested. He lost against Diaz on short notice too. Went the distance on Diaz match 2. Diaz doesn t have the greatest of careers he has plenty of losses.

People thinking 1^st or 2^nd round KO to McGregor need to think again. I can see this going the distance.

He dominated all his fights including Mendes (he was never in trouble on the ground in that fight) and Diaz 1/2.......you can talk of 2 weeks notice but that works both ways.....nobody else continually takes new fighters on short notice the way he does .........the only marks against him are his obvious cardio problems and the middle of that 2nd round in the first Diaz fight, he got beaten fairly then returned the favor

MartyDublin

rob316 wrote: »

The new promo going around is class, spine tingling stuff.

The one with them all in it. Alvarez in the diner.

Swashbuckler

GiftofGab wrote: »

This is not an easy match up. People are giving too much credit to McGregor. Alverez can punch.

Look at McGregor s career to date. Holloway was at the start of his career Holloway is a diffent fighter now (so is Conor). He fought Mendes on 2 weeks notice. Ok he did well against Aldo but he was never tested. He lost against Diaz on short notice too. Went the distance on Diaz match 2. Diaz doesn t have the greatest of careers he has plenty of losses.

People thinking 1^st or 2^nd round KO to McGregor need to think again. I can see this going the distance.

I don't think it's an easy match-up but stylistically I'd be more confident about him beating Eddie than I would have when he fought Mendes or Diaz. Eddie takes a lot of punches and doesn't have the same chin as Diaz. It's hard to see how he's not gonna get cracked on the chin at least once, and I don't see him absorbing McGregors power like Diaz did.

Swashbuckler

qwabercd wrote: »

Gift of sh1te talk.

Comments like that give credence to the comments people make about this being the "McGregor defenders" thread. He expressed a valid opinion and wasn't an as*hole about it..

qwabercd

GiftofGab wrote: »

This is not an easy match up. People are giving too much credit to McGregor. Alverez can punch.

Look at McGregor s career to date. Holloway was at the start of his career Holloway is a diffent fighter now (so is Conor). He fought Mendes on 2 weeks notice. Ok he did well against Aldo but he was never tested. He lost against Diaz on short notice too. Went the distance on Diaz match 2. Diaz doesn t have the greatest of careers he has plenty of losses.

People thinking 1^st or 2^nd round KO to McGregor need to think again. I can see this going the distance.

Gift of sh1te talk.

Mod: Keep it up and you will be talking a long break..

how.gareth

GiftofGab wrote: »

This is not an easy match up. People are giving too much credit to McGregor. Alverez can punch.

Look at McGregor s career to date. Holloway was at the start of his career Holloway is a diffent fighter now (so is Conor). He fought Mendes on 2 weeks notice. Ok he did well against Aldo but he was never tested. He lost against Diaz on short notice too. Went the distance on Diaz match 2. Diaz doesn t have the greatest of careers he has plenty of losses.

People thinking 1^st or 2^nd round KO to McGregor need to think again. I can see this going the distance.

Who's a big negative nelly!! You have gone out of your way to try scrape some negative spin together with those points and totally dismissed anything that's good about Conor's game. I'm sure most people on here have seen eddies last fight and know he can punch, I think Conor punches harder and better so a knock out is not too crazy to predict, I reckon they will end up havin a proper brawl at some stage of the fight and one of them is gettin knocked out

Depp

GiftofGab wrote: »

This is not an easy match up. People are giving too much credit to McGregor. Alverez can punch.

Look at McGregor s career to date. Holloway was at the start of his career Holloway is a diffent fighter now (so is Conor). He fought Mendes on 2 weeks notice. Ok he did well against Aldo but he was never tested. He lost against Diaz on short notice too. Went the distance on Diaz match 2. Diaz doesn t have the greatest of careers he has plenty of losses.

People thinking 1^st or 2^nd round KO to McGregor need to think again. I can see this going the distance.

no-ones saying he can't punch, reason a lot of people see it finishing early is due to eddies style of striking he eats a lot of punches and as we've seen all conor needs is 1

GiftofGab

This is not an easy match up. People are giving too much credit to McGregor. Alverez can punch.

Look at McGregor s career to date. Holloway was at the start of his career Holloway is a diffent fighter now (so is Conor). He fought Mendes on 2 weeks notice. Ok he did well against Aldo but he was never tested. He lost against Diaz on short notice too. Went the distance on Diaz match 2. Diaz doesn t have the greatest of careers he has plenty of losses.

People thinking 1^st or 2^nd round KO to McGregor need to think again. I can see this going the distance.

rob316

D.Q wrote: »

This time next month. Cannot wait.

The new promo going around is class, spine tingling stuff.

D.Q

This time next month. Cannot wait.

MagicIRL

rob316 wrote: »

If he can master is take down offence as well as he did vs Diaz 2, he will manage Diaz fine. I do really worry about him on the ground though, he gave up his back too quick in the first fight and Diaz cut through him.

Both employ different takedown games. Diaz will utilise a lot of judo throws, trips and off the clinch takedowns. Alvarez will blast for the double leg over and over again.

Depp

rob316 wrote: »

If he can master is take down offence as well as he did vs Diaz 2, he will manage Diaz fine. I do really worry about him on the ground though, he gave up his back too quick in the first fight and Diaz cut through him.

from what ive seen of eddies ground game is that its mainly about top pressure and finding openings for g'n'p and dont get it twisted conor is a legit brown belt so I really don't think eddies submission game is that much of a threat. Wouldn't be at all surprised to see conor get a sub off his back as he'll definitely be drilling them a fair bit this camp I would presume. Having a stronger guy like danis to work with in those areas is a big help aswel

ItsAnEasyGame

McGoat KO round 2

MartyDublin

Tigger wrote: »

He didn't give up his back because of lack of ground game he was having a snooze
He was out in his feet and it was either shoot and hope to make the end of the round or get knocked out so he made his choice
I think it was making the best of a bad situation considering he dosent want a knockout on the highlight reels

On the button. Good post

MartyDublin

McGregor will end it starting with a wheel kick.

Tigger

rob316 wrote: »

If he can master is take down offence as well as he did vs Diaz 2, he will manage Diaz fine. I do really worry about him on the ground though, he gave up his back too quick in the first fight and Diaz cut through him.

He didn't give up his back because of lack of ground game he was having a snooze
He was out in his feet and it was either shoot and hope to make the end of the round or get knocked out so he made his choice
I think it was making the best of a bad situation considering he dosent want a knockout on the highlight reels

rob316

Useful.Idiot wrote: »

I'd really like to see more of Conor's ground game. Assuming the fight will go to the ground at some stage it would be impressive if he pulls off some nice reversals from defensive ground positions or sprawls most of Eddie's take-downs.

If he can master is take down offence as well as he did vs Diaz 2, he will manage Diaz fine. I do really worry about him on the ground though, he gave up his back too quick in the first fight and Diaz cut through him.

Useful.Idiot

I'd really like to see more of Conor's ground game. Assuming the fight will go to the ground at some stage it would be impressive if he pulls off some nice reversals from defensive ground positions or sprawls most of Eddie's take-downs.

MagicIRL

Lukker- wrote: »

How do people see the fight going?

I think a few things could happen.

1 - Alvarez storms out at the start of the bell hoping to blitz McGregor as he did to Dos Anjos. This will suit Conor down to a tee. Conor wins by KO in the first.

2 - McGregor starts as he did against Diaz #1 and #2, dictating the pace and putting together swift combinations against Alvarez's head. The fight'll drag on with Alverez going for the double leg late in the first. Same story with Round #2, only McGregor lands the KO.

3 - Alvarez comes out of the gate, puts Conor on his back and holds him there. Rinse and repeat for five rounds. Alvarez by Decision.

Mellor

wonderfullife wrote: »

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There's only really one fight that comes to mind where Conor was bull-rushed by an opponent and that's the Brimage fight. He came out running and swinging and Conor was able to utilise the uppercut on the back foot.

Arguably Aldo came out pressing forward also.

as an aside, that Brimage highlight is probably my favourite to date