Poppy Middle Class Death Cult

RobbieTheRobber wrote: »

In what way?

In every way, read it back to yourself.

Moo Moo Land wrote: »

This post is utter nonsense to be fair. You should wear a dunces hat for the rest of this thread life.

In what way?

RobbieTheRobber wrote: »

The wearing of the poppy or lily is a public display. When people make a public display of something are they not encouraging comment from others while in public.

If people were to mind their own business surely they would not publicly display their opinion on a matter through the wearing of an emblem.

This post is utter nonsense to be fair. You should wear a dunce's hat for the rest of this thread life.

jimgoose

They shall grow not old, as we that are left grow old:
Age shall not weary them, nor the years condemn.
At the going down of the sun and in the morning,
We will remember them.

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

but you wouldn't condemn it either, am I right?

Well that really depends on the situation.
If you are really after my opinion then you can pm me scenarios and I will give you my opinion on each case. I dont think this thread is really the place.

In the previous scenario you provided I would not offer any surprise if an individual wearing a rangers jersey was given some verbal abuse regarding their choice of football team. However if this abuse became anything more threatening than mild mocking I would condemn the behavior as wrong.

RobbieTheRobber wrote: »

Are you asking if the wearing of particular clothing in a particular area can cause of offense to others?

If so the answer would be yes and I can provide multiple examples of such from around the world.

That does not mean I am endorsing that behavior, but I am merely answering your question with the correct answer as I see it.

but you wouldn't condemn it either, am I right?

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

more nonsense. If i walk down O'Connell street in a rangers shirt am i inviting comment from knuckledraggers?

Are you asking if the wearing of particular clothing in a particular area can cause of offense to others?

If so the answer would be yes and I can provide multiple examples of such from around the world.

That does not mean I am endorsing that behavior, but I am merely answering your question with the correct answer as I see it.

RobbieTheRobber wrote: »

The wearing of the poppy or lily is a public display. When people make a public display of something are they not encouraging comment from others while in public.

If people were to mind their own business surely they would not publicly display their opinion on a matter through the wearing of an emblem.

more nonsense. If i walk down O'Connell street in a rangers shirt am i inviting comment from knuckledraggers?

RobertKK

I would say very few would have seen an Irish person wearing a poppy.

I was chatting to a British person a few years ago and the poppy came up, he was complaining about people complaining over there about British people who do not want to wear the poppy.
Poppy fascists is what he called them.

The only plant I have seen any Irish person wearing has been the shamrock, and Irish people don't care if a fellow Irish person wears it or not.

mikhail wrote: »

Damned right. I think the kind of asshole who gives out about someone here wearing the poppy is pretty much the same kind of asshole as the kind of asshole who gives out about someone not wearing the poppy in the UK. Why can't people just mind their own business?

The wearing of the poppy or lily is a public display. When people make a public display of something are they not encouraging comment from others while in public.

If people were to mind their own business surely they would not publicly display their opinion on a matter through the wearing of an emblem.

MagicIRL

ClovenHoof wrote: »

Sentanta NiCasbastini

Brilliant. I hope this makes the "Most Anticipated Baby Names of 2017" list.

mikhail

RobertKK wrote: »

Never saw anyone where I live wear a poppy, and quite frankly, I have better things to concern me if they did.

Damned right. I think the kind of asshole who gives out about someone here wearing the poppy is pretty much the same kind of asshole as the kind of asshole who gives out about someone not wearing the poppy in the UK. Why can't people just mind their own business?

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

you really are determined to get a rise out of me, aren't you?

You have an opinion. You are determined to express your opinion as fact. I disagree with your opinion. That is all there is to it.

Ragnar Lothbrok

Contributing to the poppy appeal raises money to look after British army ex-servicemen. Why any Irish person feels that this is a worthwhile cause baffles me, even if their "Uncle Frank" was a British soldier.

Many of these British soldiers may have received their injuries in the north, at the same time as they and their comrades-in-arms were killing and attacking Irish civilians. Forgive me if I feel less than concerned for their welfare now.

For over 20 years I called to houses and pubs with Easter lilies and almost always got a great response. It seems that most Irish people are prepared to honour their own dead, without having to worry about the upkeep of ex-servicemen of another country's armed forces.

I've seldom seen anyone in Cork wearing a poppy in any case, not that I'd be overly concerned if they did.

Lollipops23

While living and working in Toronto I did have to explain to the same man several times the reason why I wouldn't be partaking in the Poppy Day thing.
He seemed to find it offensive, despite the fact that he knew I wasn't British or Canadian.

RobbieTheRobber wrote: »

tut tut. Don't go speaking for everyone now, until you have asked them all.

you really are determined to get a rise out of me, aren't you?

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

i dont care where the money goes. people wear them to remember the fallen.

tut tut. Don't go speaking for everyone now, until you have asked them all.

RobbieTheRobber wrote: »

The poppy appeal is a fund raising exercise for the registered charity the royal british legion.
Who

Here is an older article from the uk independent about where the money goes.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/this-britain/the-big-question-why-are-we-asked-to-wear-a-poppy-and-is-its-significance-being-lost-1807573.html
Only a tiny fraction goes towards remembrance. It would be disingenuous to try to claim the purpose of the poppy is remembrance of WW1 servicemen.

The purpose of the org and this appeal is to assist surviving British servicemen of all british military conflicts such as Northern Ireland or the recent Iraq and Afghanistan campaigns.

i dont care where the money goes. people wear them to remember the fallen.

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

no, its purpose is to remember the fallen. as a side effect some money is raised to help ex-servicemen.

The poppy appeal is a fund raising exercise for the registered charity the royal british legion.
Who

The Royal British Legion provides lifelong support for the Armed Forces community - serving men and women, veterans, and their families

Here is an older article from the uk independent about where the money goes.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/this-britain/the-big-question-why-are-we-asked-to-wear-a-poppy-and-is-its-significance-being-lost-1807573.html
Only a tiny fraction goes towards remembrance. It would be disingenuous to try to claim the purpose of the poppy is remembrance of WW1 servicemen.

The purpose of the org and this appeal is to assist surviving British servicemen of all british military conflicts such as Northern Ireland or the recent Iraq and Afghanistan campaigns.

RobertKK

Never saw anyone where I live wear a poppy, and quite frankly, I have better things to concern me if they did.

Mr. CooL ICE

Herb Powell wrote: »

I've needed a name for my new band for a while OP, sound for that!

When is your first album up for preorder? Cos I'm all over this

Maximus Alexander wrote: »

So now I have a Frank, but he wasn't in the war. That's even worse... How am I meant to figure out whether to poppy or not?

Therapy. I hope you didn't marry one of the Maloney cousins.

Herb Powell

I've needed a name for my new band for a while OP, sound for that!

RobbieTheRobber wrote: »

I have at no point expressed a problem with the poppy, I am merely outlining its purpose.
What is your problem with the truth?

no, its purpose is to remember the fallen. as a side effect some money is raised to help ex-servicemen.

Maximus Alexander

Moo Moo Land wrote: »

Newsflash Max....Frank Maloney from Knocknagownagh banged Great Granny Alexander while Great Grandfather Alexander was away in Flanders fighting the Hun.
Sucks to be you.

So now I have a Frank, but he wasn't in the war. That's even worse... How am I meant to figure out whether to poppy or not?

Moo Moo Land wrote: »

The OP makes some solid points.

However, we Irish generally don't wear a poppy, do we? I have never seen one here.

they are definitely worn here.

9or10

Me neither Moo Moo.

Do we do anything for members of the Defence Forces injured or killed on duty, or is it all down to government?

Maximus Alexander wrote: »

I've a family tree going back a good few generations and there are no Franks on it. What do I do?

Newsflash Max....Frank Maloney from Knocknagownagh banged Great Granny Alexander while Great Grandfather Alexander was away in Flanders fighting the Hun.
Sucks to be you.

The OP makes some solid points.

However, we Irish generally don't wear a poppy, do we? I have never seen one here.