SEPT 23 1989 wrote: » You beat a kind old man to death with a baseball bat in his own home you deserve everything you get
jmayo wrote: » Why are so concerned about three low life murders who bludgeoned an innocent man to death in his own home ? They have probably contributed absolutely zero to society through out their whole lives.
HensVassal wrote: » FFS what is it with you and your rants about "left-leaning" this and "left-leaning" that? The damn death penalty isn't about right and left, it's about right and wrong. And please don't trot out the predictable "Oh I bet you suggest these three scumbags get counselling and hugs and a holiday!" ..... No I don't. I am happy to see them banged up for 30 years or more until they are the age of the man they killed. But barfing out inane platitudes like "they should be beaten to a pulp with bats and then set on fire, blah, blah, blah" is not big and it's not clever. It's stupid. If you would prefer we have kangaroo courts and showtrials and torture and summary executions etc., rather than due process then maybe you'd feel more at home in Uganda or Myanmar. I'm sick to the back teeth of locker-room politicians deriding the "looney-left" for all society's ills when the left wing are generally just people who are supporters of women's rights, minority rights, regulation and are not hypocrites...you know, people who actually engage their brains before opening their mouths.
Harry Palmr wrote: » Wow, it's a bit right wing in here! You'd soon be complaining if this was about Irish in England and message boards saying kill 'em.
MartyDublin wrote: » One of lads found guilty is in midlands prison and in great form today thankfully sentence didnt grab him down. He shouldnt of been found guilty of murder, accessory or contributor but not murder.
LexieOnRale wrote: » He forced his way into an old mans house, off his face, and the three of them were present when the old man had his head caved in with a baseball bat. What sort of physco carries a baseball bat on a drug fuelled night out? Bringing it to the pub from the pub to a houseparty, to a shop and finally to an elderly mans home? They stood by while whoever delivered the blows. Infact, they all turned on each other like rats. No he did it, he did it, oh he just gave him a tap. Nobody called an ambulance, nobody tried to get him help, nobody seems to remember who actually killed him, nobody tried to stop it, and then they couldn't leave it like that, instead feeling like that wasn't bad enough, that they should somehow set the man on fire. They all contributed to that mans death, they're all horrible little knackers and they should have all been in prison way before this happened. Good that he's happy, may he always find comfort behind bars away from the rest of civilised society. Maybe the rest of the elderly will rest easy in Edenderry knowing they're not going to be next.
eeguy wrote: » 69 convictions, 7 convictions, 21 convictions. Scum like that should have been jailed for life long ago.
MartyDublin wrote: » He didnt start his night with lads, he didnt carry baseball bat, he did not strike the man with the bat. He tried to dispose of evidence. I seen the book of evidence detective said in his statement he didnt believe matthew cummins contributed to cause of death.
LexieOnRale wrote: » So, why didn't he call an ambulance? Or stop the others from hitting him? He did contribute to a mans death by DOING NOTHING. If he had nothing to hide why didn't he go find joe Bradley and tell him what happened?
eviltwin wrote: » He might not have intended to be party to a murder and I accept things can escalate beyond the control of individual's. In saying that though he tried to cover it up and protect his mates. He's as guilty as they are in my book.
MartyDublin wrote: » Yes he was an accessory to the fact. But lets get this right- definition of a murder conviction is to prove beyond reasonable doubt that person was resonsible solely or by joint enterprise this could not be proved as he didnt inflict injury upon toddy as stated by his 2 co accused. He did try dispose of the body. Im a person who is currently awaiting a murder trial and know what needs to be proven
tomofson wrote: » Still though "doing NOTHING" isn't murder, it may be immoral and a contributing factor but its not premeditated murder
tomofson wrote: » Your touching on dangerous legal ground with that one, you may want to edit and remove that personal detail about yourself.
LexieOnRale wrote: » None of the scum seem to remember what happened though, oh no it was jay. It was Sean. No it was Matthew but he only tipped him. Had one of them intervened, or went to get help, could the man have been saved? Maybe. I can only imagine how id deal witnessing my friend smash an old mans head in but I doubt I'd leave him there with a fractured skull and go hide the baseball hat. Matthew cummins has 69 prior convictions, he's no shrinking violet.
corner of hells wrote: » Two famous ones.. Harry Gleeson recently , 70 years after being executed and Peter Pringle. Our neighbours had a few crackers recently too Birmingham Six and Guildford Four. I was a member of the Innocence Project , the figure of between 2.5 and 5 percent is guide.
tomofson wrote: » I know what convictions he has and they are a cause of concern but even hes previous convictions still don't prove murder. Most likely one of them is telling the truth if you have 3 different events in their statements. Unless another party was present and done the deed by himself then there is 3 innocent men doing life. I'm only saying that because its a possibility by the way not that I believe it.
LexieOnRale wrote: » Well he was found guilty of murder in a proper trial with judges and witness reports and evidence. I'll take that rather than the word of another individual also waiting on a murder trial. What I find baffling is people like that "knowing their rights" and what they need to know and prove, and feel like it's their almost right, to take that away from another person. Unbelievable.
tomofson wrote: » Just because someone is waiting on a murder trial doesn't mean they are guilty though, plenty of examples of innocence standing trial for crimes they didn't commit. He has as much right to an opinion on the matter as anyone else and if he knows the details of the case then even more so than anyone speculating anonymously over an internet forum.
MartyDublin wrote: » One of lads found guilty is in midlands prison and in great form today thankfully sentence didnt grab him down.
LexieOnRale wrote: » He has the word of a convicted murderer with 69 previous convictions, who was on so much drugs, they tried set that April murray woman's house on fire, while there were people sleeping upstairs. Also, I would query how a poster awaiting a murder trial knows the mood and form in the Midlands prison this morning but I suspect that's for another thread, or possibly the authorities.
MartyDublin wrote: » I was doubled up with matthew from january 2015 i seen his book of evidence read it throuroughly, seen the statements from all involved medical reports. And prisoners get phone calls i was talking to a prisoner today and matthew got on the phone. Does that curb your theory.
LexieOnRale wrote: » To be honest, I feel dirty even having anything to say to the likes of you. So, I won't be saying much more than that. I presume it's the same book of evidence and statements and medical reports that went before a judge and jury of people not awaiting trial for murder, which was all evidence that lead to his conviction. About time he was locked up. You seem to put a lot of stock into the fact you know you're innocent and will get off, even though another person is laying cold in the ground. Surely you of all people have faith in the justice system that'll seperate innocent from guilty.
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