WindomEarle wrote: » They were blocking the bus stop outside the Goat when I passed this morning.
Je_suis_Jean wrote: » More illegal parking in a bus lane a few metres from traffic lights and a pedestrian crossing. It's interesting that a private business seems to incorporate breaking the road traffic rules as it's standard mode of operation in order to speed up the process of swapping advertising posters and can do so with complete immunity. If (total assumption on my part) Adshel have 10 vans on the road around Dublin making 30 stops a day each (one stop every 15 minutes) and 90% of them involve parking in bus lanes, on cycle lanes and foot paths that's 300 road traffic violations per day or 66,000 per annum assuming a standard 220 working day rota. I wonder how many tickets they get per annum for such breaches?
2RockMountain wrote: » punisher5112 wrote: » If you have CD on your plate you can do what you want. Not true. Car's don't have diplomatic immunity. Some people do - so it depends who is driving the car. Often, the driver is not actually a diplomat, so does not have diplomatic immunity.
punisher5112 wrote: » If you have CD on your plate you can do what you want.
brian_t wrote: » According to Indymediahttp://www.indymedia.ie/article/68473?author_name=Se%E1n&userlanguage=ga Do you not think that part of Adshel contract with Dublin Bus would be the right to park beside bus stops for maintenance and service purposes.
Je_suis_Jean wrote: » The answer is cryptically contained in your post. 1. A bus stops for a few seconds to let passangers on/off. They don't park there. 2. A bus is a public service vehicle using .........wait for it..............a bus lane which is why bus lanes were put in place. It's not a Adshel parking bay lane is it? Also, if your logic is followed to it's conclusion and applied equally to all anyone doing some business near a bus lane should be free to park in it for 5 minutes or so whenever they wish. True/False? (Please don't say Adhsel are doing a public service putting up advertising posters!! Last thime I checked they weren't listed here https://www.lobbying.ie/help-resources/information-for-public-bodies/list-of-public-service-bodies/)
brian_t wrote: » No-one is listed there
Je_suis_Jean wrote: » Last thime I checked they weren't listed here https://www.lobbying.ie/help-resources/information-for-public-bodies/list-of-public-service-bodies/)
404 Page not found We're sorry, the page you were looking for appears to have been moved, deleted or does not exist.
Je_suis_Jean wrote: » 2. A bus is a public service vehicle using .........wait for it..............a bus lane which is why bus lanes were put in place. It's not a Adshel parking bay lane is it? Also, if your logic is followed to it's conclusion and applied equally to all anyone doing some business near a bus lane should be free to park in it for 5 minutes or so whenever they wish. True/False?
The bus shelters located throughout Dublin are not owned by Dublin Bus, or even Dublin Corporation, but are instead under the control of the Adshel company.
Allinall wrote: » The place doesn't go into meltdown when a bus stops there, so I fail to see how a van parked temporarily is any different.
Esel wrote: » You say that such parking is dangerous, yet if they had a permit it would be OK???
borderlinemeath wrote: » Sigh, again.
borderlinemeath wrote: » So your vision was impaired by somebody parked illegally in a cycle lane. Not Adshel working at a bus stop.
borderlinemeath wrote: » I don't see anything unsafe with your photo. Slightly inconvenient to cycle around or drive around but the van is well lit, on a straight and not blocking pedestrians or an upcoming junction.
borderlinemeath wrote: » Plus they aren't an emergency service.
Je_suis_Jean wrote: » Really? No doubt about it. My issue isn't with the employee doing his/her best to meet their daily route targets it's with the business who set a route based on illegal parking rather than legal parking. If Adshel had to obey the law they would have to plan routes accordingly which might mean getting 10 jobs a day (mix of poster replacements and maintenance) done instead of (for example) 20. Maybe for a poster change but not to replace a broken pane of glass or whatever. A major element of this is safety. Parking on bus lanes, cycle paths and footpaths puts other more vulnerable road users at risk. This was amply demonstrated to me this morning when I saw a van (not Adshel) parked on a cycle lane blocking my view of traffic coming and making an exit from the road I was on more difficult/dangerous.
Are you saying the trade off between safety for others and convenience for Adshel is justified? It takes seconds for a situation which should otherwise be safe to become an accident so even if they only park for 5 minutes as you suggest that's a multiple of the time it take for an accident to occur.
Since when was putting up advertising posters a public service?
Not at all actually. The issue for me is about the equal application of the law for all. If they deserve to park in bus lanes, cycle paths and footpaths why don't DCC just give them a permit to do so? I'd have no complaints with that at all but I suspect the reason it hasn't happened is that no council could justify the trade off between public safety and some convenience for a private company which allows them to lower cost i.e. more jobs done per day = less requirement for staff/vans etc. Glad to hear it.
Little CuChulainn wrote: » Your assumption is that others doing what adshel is doing would not be treated the same by Gardaí. But if you were to get a job washing the bus shelters or repairing the glass in them you would be treated the same. The rule of law is to be applied equally but Gardaí have a power of discretion to let some things pass and this discretion is also applied equally.
borderlinemeath wrote: » Sigh.
borderlinemeath wrote: » An adshel employee probably has a set route of poster changes and maintenence on a bus shelter.
borderlinemeath wrote: » knowing each shelter will take approx 5 minutes at most.
borderlinemeath wrote: » They're trying to do their job maintaining a public service
borderlinemeath wrote: » you're getting your knickers in a twist over something that has little or no effect on you, sitting in your car getting antsy because you have to let a taxi cut in front of you only to go back into the bus lane and not get in your way at all.
borderlinemeath wrote: » they really shouldn't park in bus lanes
shrapnel222 wrote: » it's not a public service, it's a very lucrative business.
borderlinemeath wrote: » I think you're making a mountain out of a molehill. They're trying to do their job maintaining a public service and you're getting your knickers in a twist over something that has little or no effect on you, sitting in your car getting antsy because you have to let a taxi cut in front of you only to go back into the bus lane and not get in your way at all. I suspect also that if they were given a permit, as with all companies, there would be certain employees that would abuse it. So better off having them aware that they really shouldn't park in bus lanes but to ensure to make their service prompt otherwise they are in danger of getting a ticket or a fine.
Je_suis_Jean wrote: » So your actually saying that if you have a van full of posters and tools it's ok to park on a bus lane? Does that apply equally to plumbers, carpenters, builders etc etc who might like to keep their vehicle parked in a bus lane so they can keep an eye on it whilst they go about their job? If not why not? Why are Adshel the only one's to whom this apparent dispensation applies?
The problem I have and the reason it gets up my nose (and IMO should get up the nose of all road users) is that the rule of law is supposed to be applied equally without fear or favour and not in a discriminatory fashion. I'd have no problem (as I already said) if DCC gave them a permit to park in bus lanes, cycle lanes and footpaths whilst they carried out their work but to my knowledge they haven't so why are they not treated the same way as plumbers, carpenters and builders etc? I don't like institutionalised discrimination regardless of how minor or serious it is. Maybe you're ok with that but I'm not.
