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3 lowlifes get life for bashing a man to death.

Kristopherus

3 lowlife scumbags have got life in jail for bashing a 64-year-old man to death in Co Offaly after a drink & drug-fuelled evening/night of debauchery.

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/we-never-got-to-say-goodbye-family-of-elderly-man-beaten-to-death-with-baseball-bat-after-night-of-carnage-35118028.html.

On reading stories like the above,I really hope that life means life in such cases:mad:

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mobby wrote: »

Detective Garda Joseph Bradley today told the court that all three men had previous convictions. Matthew Cummins, he said, has 69, dating back to August 2008. The convictions range from arson to burglary, criminal damage, trespassing, public disorder and theft. In December 2014 he was sentenced to four years with two suspended for arson.

For F**K sake... Cummins was sentenced in December 2014 to 4 years he should still be in Prison, two suspended for what? he has 69 previous! The judges involved here should be forced to explain they are getting away with murder. The Garda were doing their job getting the toerag to court and having him convicted 69 times but the "system" let him out to roam the streets. and as a result batter an old man to death. They are pure evil, there is no saving them.
RIP Sean Davy

RIP Thomas Dooley

Haithabu

Wanderer78 wrote: »

this does seem like a very complicated case, filled with very complicated and disturbed people

Indeed. It is very disturbing to see what drugs to people. One has to wonder if there was no social worker who would have helped the three young men to get their life on the right track. With convictions and out on a suspended sentence one would assume someone must have looked after them. It's too late now for that.

We all know there are young people in this country growing up with a family who is no there when you need them or even wihout a family at all who tells them what is right and what is wrong. They grow up very self centered, without remorse for what they do and everyone is seen as an enemy ("I'll get you before you get me").

I actually can't believe this happened in Offaly. Very sad. Poor man, he looks like the nicest neighbour you can have.

ChikiChiki

69 convictions and roaming around. Jesus wept....

Best little country in the world to be a worthless toe rag. As another poster said The State has to bear some responsibility here. TDs need to feel the wrath of the public on this.

Wanderer78

Haithabu wrote: »

Indeed. It is very disturbing to see what drugs to people. One has to wonder if there was no social worker who would have helped the three young men to get their life on the right track. With convictions and out on a suspended sentence one would assume someone must have looked after them. It's too late now for that.

We all know there are young people in this country growing up with a family who is no there when you need them or even wihout a family at all who tells them what is right and what is wrong. They grow up very self centered, without remorse for what they do and everyone is seen as an enemy ("I'll get you before you get me").

I actually can't believe this happened in Offaly. Very sad. Poor man, he looks like the nicest neighbour you can have.

multiple system failure, the victim was also a very complicated person. its a tragedy all round

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Mr Dooley was killed in Feb 2014, he wasn't sentenced for arson until Dec 14.

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Haithabu wrote: »

Indeed. It is very disturbing to see what drugs to people. One has to wonder if there was no social worker who would have helped the three young men to get their life on the right track. With convictions and out on a suspended sentence one would assume someone must have looked after them. It's too late now for that.

We all know there are young people in this country growing up with a family who is no there when you need them or even wihout a family at all who tells them what is right and what is wrong. They grow up very self centered, without remorse for what they do and everyone is seen as an enemy ("I'll get you before you get me").

I actually can't believe this happened in Offaly. Very sad. Poor man, he looks like the nicest neighbour you can have.

Edenderry is an absolute hovel though. It's sinister enough, I'd reckon the drugs problem in Edenderry would be one of the worst affected towns in the Midlands. As far as I know, the garda station there is closed more often than its open. It's not a nice atmosphere or place to be, this case aside. I know I certainly wouldn't feel safe on a night out there.

trellheim

Info : Cost of a prison Space per Annum: In 2015, the average cost of an “available, staffed prison space” was €68,628 (source) http://www.iprt.ie/prison-facts-2

If we assume these three get out in 14 years and no inflation in that cost : 3x14x68628=€2,882,376 paid by taxpayers for keeping them in pokey.

Kristopherus

trellheim wrote: »

Info : Cost of a prison Space per Annum: In 2015, the average cost of an “available, staffed prison space” was €68,628 (source) http://www.iprt.ie/prison-facts-2

If we assume these three get out in 14 years and no inflation in that cost : 3x14x68628=€2,882,376 paid by taxpayers for keeping them in pokey.

I'd look on that expenditure as being well spent. It will keep the local population safe from those 3 lowlifes for a considerable length of time.

Venom

trellheim wrote: »

Info : Cost of a prison Space per Annum: In 2015, the average cost of an “available, staffed prison space” was €68,628 (source) http://www.iprt.ie/prison-facts-2

If we assume these three get out in 14 years and no inflation in that cost : 3x14x68628=€2,882,376 paid by taxpayers for keeping them in pokey.

Woodies - Polyrope 8mm Mini Coil Blue. Length: 30 Metre €14.29 so for 3 scumbags it works out around €4.76 per each.

Bargain.

TeaBagMania

Venom wrote: »

trellheim wrote: »

Info : Cost of a prison Space per Annum: In 2015, the average cost of an available, staffed prison space was 68,628 (source) http://www.iprt.ie/prison-facts-2

If we assume these three get out in 14 years and no inflation in that cost : 3x14x68628= 2,882,376 paid by taxpayers for keeping them in pokey.

Woodies - Polyrope 8mm Mini Coil Blue. Length: 30 Metre 14.29 so for 3 scumbags it works out around 4.76 per each.

Bargain.

7.62x51 NATO round, $1 each x 3 = $3.00 or 2.69 Euro
Id send the bill for the ammo to the parents of the murders

http://www.bullets.com/products/Q3130-7-62x51mm-NATO-147-Grain-FMJ-Ammo-Box-of-20/BL8098

corner of hells

TeaBagMania wrote: »

7.62x51 NATO round, $1 each x 3 = $3.00 or 2.69 Euro
Id send the bill for the ammo to the parents of the murders

http://www.bullets.com/products/Q3130-7-62x51mm-NATO-147-Grain-FMJ-Ammo-Box-of-20/BL8098

Would you pull the trigger ? On all three?

TeaBagMania

corner of hells wrote: »

Would you pull the trigger ? On all three?

For three scumbags that beat an old man to death?

Id happily volunteer to pull the trigger or the handle on the gallows

moc moc a moc

trellheim wrote: »

€2,882,376 paid by taxpayers for keeping them in pokey.

Fine by me. We'll make some of that back anyway on the social welfare we won't have to pay them anymore, plus the court and garda time savings for all the crimes they would inevitably have committed in the meantime.

Plus, bonus, they won't be able to murder anyone else for a while.

Samaris

TeaBagMania wrote: »

For three scumbags that beat an old man to death?

Id happily volunteer to pull the trigger or the handle on the gallows

You're a very unusual person then.

The problem is, as ever with the getting out of the righteous rage about what one would like to do if only one's arms weren't being held back, that the next step then happens. You can't just bring back the death penalty randomly for one (definitely dreadful) case and then stick it back in a drawer again. So now we have the death penalty back.

I wonder how you'd feel after pulling the trigger in righteous hate for some lowlife scum, to find out afterwards that he was entirely innocent and in the wrong place at the wrong time? Would you face his family, having taken his dignity, his name and his life?

That's the price of having the death penalty. And that's the price of being the one to make the judgement on it.

RIP Thomas Dooley. Nothing about this case is fair or just.

And for the record, I agree that life should mean life.

Arghus

This was a terrible crime, and the men shouldn't have been walking the streets in the first place, and in an instance like this life should absolutely mean life, but I'm not in favour of the death penalty - and some of the suggestions here for what you'd like to see for state sanctioned justice are beyond daft.

lawlolawl

Samaris wrote: »

You're a very unusual person then.

The problem is, as ever with the getting out of the righteous rage about what one would like to do if only one's arms weren't being held back, that the next step then happens. You can't just bring back the death penalty randomly for one (definitely dreadful) case and then stick it back in a drawer again. So now we have the death penalty back.

I wonder how you'd feel after pulling the trigger in righteous hate for some lowlife scum, to find out afterwards that he was entirely innocent and in the wrong place at the wrong time? Would you face his family, having taken his dignity, his name and his life?

That's the price of having the death penalty. And that's the price of being the one to make the judgement on it.

RIP Thomas Dooley. Nothing about this case is fair or just.

And for the record, I agree that life should mean life.

How often have murder convictions been found out later to be completely unwarranted in the history of the state?

corner of hells

lawlolawl wrote: »

How often have murder convictions been found out later to be completely unwarranted in the history of the state?

Two famous ones.. Harry Gleeson recently , 70 years after being executed and Peter Pringle.

Our neighbours had a few crackers recently too Birmingham Six and Guildford Four.

I was a member of the Innocence Project , the figure of between 2.5 and 5 percent is guide.

whisky_galore

Deleted User wrote: »

Agreed. Rope and Construction of gallows should be the taxpayers expense at this stage. These people showed no remorse. They need to be put down. Wouldnt eliminate murders but would prevent a hell of alot id imagine

What about the wrongly convicted? Bit late to say 'soz' after the event.

smurgen

whisky_galore wrote: »

What about the wrongly convicted? Bit late to say 'soz' after the event.

Well it's not much different to wrongfully releasing someone who isn't rehabilitated and goes off to commit other crimes isn't it?i mean in this instance it has meant death for someone innocent. Bit late to say 'soz' as you so irritatingly put it to the pensioner's family now isn't it?

ThinkProgress

Samaris wrote: »

I wonder how you'd feel after pulling the trigger in righteous hate for some lowlife scum, to find out afterwards that he was entirely innocent and in the wrong place at the wrong time? Would you face his family, having taken his dignity, his name and his life?

That's the price of having the death penalty. And that's the price of being the one to make the judgement on it.

Hold up just a minute now, samaris!

In your example above, let's take the three pieces of scum alleged to be involved here...

If they were to be executed for their part in this crime, then one or more of them is subsequently found not to have been involved...

You are suggesting we should all be crying into our cornflakes tomorrow morning, over any of those 3 guys not being able to roam our streets anymore?

Does their rap sheets of previous behaviour not weight into your assessment in any way?

Very few people that make it onto death row, are innocents that have been living their lives well as great upstanding members of society!

The majority have spent their lives being an absolute nuisance to their communities and wider society!

So in answer to your question, would it bother me if I wrongfully pulled the trigger on some useless piece of scum, just because he MIGHT be innocent of that particular crime... But guilty of being an absolute waste of oxygen in his general life?

Nope, I'd sleep like a baby!

The chances of any of those 3 "people" contributing something worthwhile to our society in the future, is pretty close to zero % I'd imagine.... The chances of them reoffending, and perhaps ruining someone else's life in the future?

Pretty damn high, I would suggest!

For me, a death sentence should be weighted against the life you've led up to that point - and usually is by the legal system - not just that particular crime you are being accused of.

osarusan

Jaysus, all the hot air hard cases in here.

HensVassal

Omackeral wrote: »

Bullsh*t. If they got a life sentence then they won't be out in 4-6 years. You have to serve 7 before you're eligible to be in front of the parole board. Nobody gets out after 7. 15 or 16 is probably the earliest they'd walk. Remand has nothing to do with a life sentence either btw.

I thought with a life sentence you had to serve a minimum of either 12 or 14 years before you can go before a parole board.

HensVassal

Gatling wrote: »

They will likely be out in 4-6 considering time on remand ,
But as we all well know there is no justice in this country only excuses for the perpetrators and little consideration for the victims and their families .

More bullshit

jmayo

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Hopefully life means a minimum tariff. Then the parole board keep them in until the next Parole Board hearing. And so on. Look at Malcom McArthur.

One of the exceptions along with the two English guys that wanted to kill a woman a day (and killed a coupl) and a couple of Garda killers.
The rest are all out anywhere between 10 odd years and 15/16.
Even then half the time they are only charged and sentenced for manslaughter rather than murder.

I am tired of posting on these threads about the likes of pondscum like gerard barry and his ilk.

The latest sad one is how a rapist, triple murderer (two children) and arsonist has his three consecutive sentences quashed and converted to run concurrently all on the quiet and the state did not even challenge it.

Haithabu wrote: »

While I am shocked myself on the crime that has been committed, this is not the right wording.

This will always create a situation like "us and them", "we are on one level, they are below us" or "you are not part of our society".

It's hard to acknowledge but like that social rehabilitation will never work. It needs t be questioned why this did not work for those three and why they ended up murdering this poor man and bringing misery to everyone.

Who gives a fook about them.
They are scum pure and simple.

When will some people get it into their heads that rehabilitation does not work for some people.

corner of hells wrote: »

I've worked with ex prisoners, even a few with murder convictions.
Once they serve eight or ten years even less sometimes, they're institutionalized often with mental ill health , little or no skills, often homeless and with little chance of ever contributing to society.

That's an illusion to say life in prison isn't to bad.

To actually serve anywhere near 8 to 10 years in Ireland means you had to have done something pretty bad.
So fook them and I could say something about the ones championing them.

What about the life sentences often being served by the REAL VICTIMS and REAL VICTIMS families.
They don't end after 8 or 10 years like those of the scrots you are worried about.

[Deleted User]

kfallon wrote: »

Hopefully the only thing they'll have in there are 3 wide and bloodied arseholes!

That's a f*cking disgusting comment. Violent rape is acceptable to you is it? Why do people think that prison sexual assaults are funny?

SEPT 23 1989

Omackeral wrote: »

That's a f*cking disgusting comment. Violent rape is acceptable to you is it? Why do people think that prison sexual assaults are funny?

You beat a kind old man to death with a baseball bat in his own home

you deserve everything you get

jmayo

ThinkProgress wrote: »

Hold up just a minute now, samaris!

In your example above, let's take the three pieces of scum alleged to be involved here...

They are not alleged to have done it.
They have been found guilty of it and sentenced.

They have admitted to being there, even if they differ as to who actually did what to him.
Now even if some day someone argued their confessions were coerced there is video footage of them disposing of items from the house including the murder weapon.
And there are probably scores of finger prints left by them.

There is no doubt in this case.

HensVassal

lawlolawl wrote: »

That's because an increasing left leaning justice system has caused it to be so convoluted and expensive to administer. Make it an unpopular concept through this reason and various others and it's easier to dismiss it.

You live in a civilized country that allows violent criminals with double or triple digit priors walk the streets so that they can beat a pensioner to death.

FFS what is it with you and your rants about "left-leaning" this and "left-leaning" that?

The damn death penalty isn't about right and left, it's about right and wrong. And please don't trot out the predictable "Oh I bet you suggest these three scumbags get counselling and hugs and a holiday!" ..... No I don't. I am happy to see them banged up for 30 years or more until they are the age of the man they killed.
But barfing out inane platitudes like "they should be beaten to a pulp with bats and then set on fire, blah, blah, blah" is not big and it's not clever. It's stupid.

If you would prefer we have kangaroo courts and showtrials and torture and summary executions etc., rather than due process then maybe you'd feel more at home in Uganda or Myanmar.

I'm sick to the back teeth of locker-room politicians deriding the "looney-left" for all society's ills when the left wing are generally just people who are supporters of women's rights, minority rights, regulation and are not hypocrites...you know, people who actually engage their brains before opening their mouths.

jmayo

Omackeral wrote: »

That's a f*cking disgusting comment. Violent rape is acceptable to you is it? Why do people think that prison sexual assaults are funny?

Why are so concerned about three low life murders who bludgeoned an innocent man to death in his own home ?

They have probably contributed absolutely zero to society through out their whole lives.

whisky_galore

smurgen wrote: »

Well it's not much different to wrongfully releasing someone who isn't rehabilitated and goes off to commit other crimes isn't it?i mean in this instance it has meant death for someone innocent. Bit late to say 'soz' as you so irritatingly put it to the pensioner's family now isn't it?

Flawed enough as our justice system is (and tbh it is pretty fcuked up, just a money train for the judiciary and their buddies) capital punishment is gone and it isn't coming back. Get over it.