happywithlife wrote: » Interested on opinions in this too. joined ASTI a few backs as was in an ASTI school. Membership lapsed when I left that school and after 12 months out subsequently ended up in a TUI school but never joined. Now I'm fresh in the door in a mixed school and not sure what to do. Principal has 'let slip' she switched to TUI a few years back and I was put on the S&S roster immediately upon starting. My ASTI rep is to get back to me regarding membership. But others have said I'm mad as membership lapsed a couple of years back so they think I should join tui as I'd be entitled to CID after the 2 years . It's a right mess
Gebgbegb wrote: » If you go back to ASTI you'd have to pay back subs though!
Terri26 wrote: » The one year/two year CID for TUI is a bit of a misnomer. Remember you have to get your own hours in the third year. We would hope that the problem will be sorted by then. Surely a legal case will be taken then/by then if someone is not made permanent...
questionmark wrote: » I am also confused as what to do about joining a union. I just graduated this year and have been getting little bits of sub work here and their ,am i maybe best waiting till i have a position in a school ?
deiseindublin wrote: » Have to disagree with you Subutai, there's no reason for anybody to join the TUI, they've lost direction and their backbone and are not interested in representing their members. Avoid at all costs.
Subutai wrote: » I disagree. I feel that the tactics (or, to be honest, lack thereof) of the ASTI have been disastrous for NQTs in particular, and the profession in general.
gaiscioch wrote: To my mind (pre-2011) a CID is not a CID as we knew it if the only way you'll get it now is by signing up to a plethora of working conditions which transform your job as a teacher into an English-style, form-filling, paper-obsessed administrator of classrooms doing a wide array of bureaucratic tasks
implausible wrote: » What are you referring to here?
magicman321 wrote: » Just wondering also if I wait to join a union until after the ASTI strike actions, what possible implications that would mean for me during the up coming strikes?
gaiscioch wrote: » I find all this talk about getting a CID to be a pliant distraction from the far more important discussion of what actually constitutes a CID now. To my mind (pre-2011) a CID is not a CID as we knew it if the only way you'll get it now is by signing up to a plethora of working conditions which transform your job as a teacher into an English-style, form-filling, paper-obsessed administrator of classrooms doing a wide array of bureaucratic tasks which are at best - at very very very best - only tangentially connected with the passionate, inspiring and creative role of a teacher dealing with 25-30 individuals in each class (if this government genuinely wanted to engage in reform, reducing class sizes and the range within them is precisely where they would start but this has never been about reform, it's about imposing a culture change that gets more low-grade unconnected work out of us for less money). An awful lot of the views in favour of this government's policy are based on naïvety, on wishful thinking of the most self-defeating sort: if we accept this, things might change. Acceptance of a definite negative change to your working conditions in the hope of possible positive changes. What a "deal". Madness. Of course, people respond "but we will get a CID". It may say CID on the tin, but make no mistake that the young eager people in their early 20s now will be the burnt-out enervated adults in their late 30s trying to rear their own kids. They will still be forced to attend a ridiculous number of after-school meetings and then come home to look after their own kids and do a never-ending number of corrections and plans in line with circular x, y, and z [revised edition of revised edition (amended)]. Where are you going to get all this energy for corrections and planning at 8pm? Oh, and then your kids keep you up at night or you have to leave work early to collect them from crèche as they're sick and you spend half your time trying to get out of pointless bullshít meeting A, B, and C to look after them (to "facilitate" you, they've added before-school meetings for some days as a "major victory" in TUI/INTO negotiations in 2030...) But because you're from Dublin you can't afford to buy or rent property on a teacher's salary beside your parents so you had to move away from that vital family support that could ease your childcare pressures. And you're just fúcking burnt out with all the unconnected bullshít that is suffocating your love for teaching, a job you (academically finishing in the top 10% of your year) never chose for the money (obviously) but for the quality of life in non-financial terms that it gave you. A job where you had the energy to make a difference, to take kids under your wing and get them over the line and allow them to get to third level and change their worlds. Now, there's form DDT666 which has to be filled in for volunteering after school tuition, but of course it's never used (except by the now even larger number of part-time teachers who are awaiting their CIDs and are eager to impress, before getting their CIDs after 2 years and quitting teaching 5 years later) because you have all those after-school meetings about meetings defining the pseudo profession of teaching in 2030 in a world where the rich are infinitely richer than ever and the poor relatively poorer than at any time since the Welfare State was introduced in the late 1940s (unsurprising to see a billionaire as guest of honour at our governing party's fundraiser last night - they aren't even pretending to be representing the greater good of society anymore). And this is all before you get to what your salary will be. Say you get this CID and, more remarkably, you manage to stay in teaching until you're earning €50,000 per annum, take a trip over to Daft.ie or Myhome.ie and do the sums. You can borrow 3.5 times your salary, which is €175,000. Assuming you have a partner, double that for the sake of argument. But given that the past 20 years have witnessed property prices in Dublin increasing far more exponentially than salaries (and, as is Fine Gael's wont, to help property developers our budget this Tuesday is going to increase those prices further), it's decidedly wishful thinking (again!) to expect you'll get a better house for your teacher's salary in 20 years' time. Sorry for the dispiriting picture above but the positive side is that despite the defeatists and their myopia we still have a much better chance of stopping all this in 2016 than we'll have in 2026.
implausible wrote: » Specifically though? I hear these references to mountains of paperwork and a bureaucratic system, but what change in our working conditions is going to create all of this?
Notorious wrote: I know that my ETB issued CID contracts in the days before the ASTI vote results were issued. I'm not sure if that's because I'm in a TUI school or because HR were doing everyone a solid.
Notorious wrote: Actually it's not a misnomer Terri26. Last summer ASTI teachers who were due to get their CID after a two year stint never got it. You'll find evidence of that by past posts on boards or through Voice for Teachers on Facebook.
acequion wrote: » implausible, not so long ago at a subject inspection I got a bit of a telling off by the inspector for not always signing and dating corrected work. She imperiously informed me that I must "cover myself". "Cover myself" for what I asked,to which she could not give any kind of concrete answer. But I got the message. So now every now and then I take a notion and sign and date the work. I mightn't even look at the work but I sign and date because after all that's the most important! [I'm being fairly tongue in cheek by the way because when I take up work I spend hours on it but dont usually sign and date it. However I will do just the above the odd time with say,first years to "cover myself"] Now if you've done correcting for the SEC you will be familiar with the reams of paper work which accounts for about 40% of the overall work. Scrud 60's, reports, reasonable accomodation, grade recording lists etc etc. And do you really not think that if the new JC gets up and running the way they want it to,leading on to a "reformed" LC in time, with SLAR's,SBA's and what have you, that it won't also be accompanied by reams of paperwork? You might argue that those of you in TUI are doing it already and that it's grand but don't forget that the majority of second level teachers are not doing it so it's not properly in yet. But when and if it does get in you can bet it will be at least 30% paperwork. So I think that poster is telling the future pretty much as is unless the madness is stopped now.
implausible wrote: » I don't see what signing and dating work has to do with 'reams of paperwork', teachers will always have to mark homework. That inspector, however, was obviously looking for some recommendation to make. I've been on the receiving end of those myself.I've marked for the SEC and know full well the paperwork involved, but that is outside of school work and is voluntary. For those teachers who are not doing it, here is an example of the 'reams of paperwork' I had to complete for the Oral CBA in English in May: 1. Instead of setting and marking a Summer test, I recorded my students giving a presentation on a topic. While they were presenting, I made notes on a sheet I had designed myself and used one of the descriptors to assess their work- that was one sheet per student. 2. Afterwards, I decided which presentations to show to my colleagues at the SLAR, made a note of them and shared that note with my colleagues. 3. At the SLAR, we viewed samples of each others' students' work and as I filled in a one page summary form of the meeting and gave a copy to my principal. We had two hours to do this. That's one sheet per student, one note of recordings to be viewed and one report of a meeting. Hardly reams. I can respect a differing opinion on the merits of the new JC, but implying that teachers will be inundated with paperwork is misrepresenting the workload.
