Gebgbegb wrote: » Surely bringing in external employees during any dispute is crossing a picket?
km79 wrote: » what about non union members or TUI in joint schools ? will they have to continue on with S and S
political analyst wrote: » But withdrawing from S&S is not a strike and thus does not involve picketing. A strike itself is a different matter because it means that the school is close.d
We've received this guest post. How many branches or members feel the same? Having heard the Minister this morning effectively ask the ASTI to ask its members to continue to do S&S for 6-7 weeks even if we vote yes to industrial action, several members of the Dublin South Central Branch have sent this to CEC. We wish to make it known to CEC that we do not support facilitating the government plans to undermine our industrial action by paying other people to do the work that they refuse to pay us to do. We fulfilled the conditions of both Croke Park and Haddington Road. We accepted the added unpaid workload during the financial crisis on the understanding that payment would be restored when this agreement came to an end. At no time was it a condition of this restoration that we sign up to another agreement. If the government feel that they have the right to move the goalposts, then they have to deal with the consequences of that move. It is also worthy of note that principals are having a nightmare trying to get substitute teachers due in part to the length of time it is currently taking to be Garda vetted. It would add insult to injury that fast tracking would be allowed to facilitate government plans to bring in paid supervisors.
deiseindublin wrote: » Great post on Fightbacks page an hour ago:
Jaggo wrote: » Non teacher here. Can i ask you why no one is discussing a regional wage structure similar to the london allowance (30%) or the pay scales in every other European country. Surely the price of accommodation in dublin v rural means that the dublin teachers are on a significantly smaller salary then those in the country. A 600 euro per month difference in rent prices, equals 7200 per year or around 15000 less per year after tax. Why is this not an issue?
maude6868 wrote: » I still want to know if s&s is withdrawn and ASTI teachers are not doing it will they be deducted 1700 euro at source like those who opted out. If not, it creates yet another tier of pay discrimination with one cohort of ASTI members paying 1700 to NOT do a job that others are not doing without penalty.
coillsaille wrote: » According to one media report I read, the DES said if schools had to close due to withdrawal of SnS then teachers would not be paid for those days as SnS is now part of teachers' contractual duties. But this was in the media so no guarantee that it's accurate. If it did come about though, it would be interesting regarding those who have opted out, as SnS is not part of their contracts. So surely those teachers would still have to be paid if schools were closed by the withdrawal.
maude6868 wrote: » But those who opted out were never paid anyway, they were penalised and have to pay 1700 for not doing it. Oh I don't know, it's just a godalmighty mess.
maude6868 wrote: » I understand that but by not doing it won't they have to be penalised by 1700 like those who already don't do it.
gaiscioch wrote: » Surely if the Department of Education brought in some randomers without Garda vetting to "supervise" children it would be in breach of child protection guidelines, and giving these outsiders access to the personal details of students could also be in breach of data protection legislation? Furthermore, I trust this government would not let them into any school unless they've done about 10 of those evidently really, really essential Croke Park Hours on child protection and data protection? By the way, and accepting political analyst's point that this is probably not technically a "strike", I know one person who broke a strike - a Bank of Ireland one about 20 years ago. She was transferred from that branch very shortly after the strike was settled but what she had done followed her to her new BofI job. This country is tiny, and no matter where you go people will know more about you within the first week than you think. Breaking a strike is character defining, and life is far too short.
Gebgbegb wrote: » Contract? The deal was if teachers did it for two years they'd get paid? What happened that ' contract'?
coillsaille wrote: » I agree wholeheartedly with the principle of your point. But unfortunately what's written into a contract of employment is set in stone, unlike these so called 'agreements' we were lured into which can be changed at the whim of the DES.
Gebgbegb wrote: » Then there's the lady who crossed the picket and now sits on the board of a bank
Gebgbegb wrote: » Aye but industrial relations are built on agreements and keeping good your promises. What's to stop the TUI jumping out of LR if the price was right. Although it would make a hash of the TUI LR if dept. Had to turn around and pay ASTI for S&S!
Gebgbegb wrote: » What's to stop the TUI jumping out of LR if the price was right.
