RAILWAY PRESERVATION

GM228 wrote: »

There is also a big difference between seeing a loco or other item in person in a museum or seeing it on an old piece of film or a photograph because it no longer exists.

Sometimes it's only thanks to museums or zoos that things survice at all. There are many animal species in zoos accross the world that would be completely extinct if it were not for the zoos efforts, the same way many pieces of rolling stock or other historical items would no longer exist it it was not for the museums.

I would love to go to a museum and see CC1 or go to the zoo and see a Tasmanian tiger, but unfortunately a Google search is the only place for me to see those now.

absolutely and Downpatrick is a fine place to see them...

GM228

topnotch wrote: »

There is a big difference between seeing a loco in a museum on a small 2.5mile preserved line and on the main line. For me it's akin to seeing an animal stuffed in the zoo or in the wild.

There is also a big difference between seeing a loco or other item in person in a museum or seeing it on an old piece of film or a photograph because it no longer exists.

Sometimes it's only thanks to museums or zoos that things survice at all. There are many animal species in zoos accross the world that would be completely extinct if it were not for the zoos efforts, the same way many pieces of rolling stock or other historical items would no longer exist it it was not for the museums.

I would love to go to a museum and see CC1 or go to the zoo and see a Tasmanian tiger, but unfortunately a Google search is the only place for me to see those now.

topnotch wrote: »

There is a big difference between seeing a loco in a museum on a small 2.5mile preserved line and on the main line. For me it's akin to seeing an animal stuffed in the zoo or in the wild.

Would it be too much to ask what you have done towards the preservation of anything rail related and mainline diesel locomotives in particular? You must have been heavily involved given your belligerent attitude.

whisky_galore

me_right_one wrote: »

But thats not "preservation", thats "re-activation". The minister for transport is the one with whom you have a bone to pick if you feel there's not enough re-activation, not your fellow enthusiasts.

Seriously?
Museum pieces are not his remit.

me_right_one

topnotch wrote: »

There is a big difference between seeing a loco in a museum on a small 2.5mile preserved line and on the main line. For me it's akin to seeing an animal stuffed in the zoo or in the wild.

But thats not "preservation", thats "re-activation". The minister for transport is the one with whom you have a bone to pick if you feel there's not enough re-activation, not your fellow enthusiasts.

Grandeeod

topnotch wrote: »

There is a big difference between seeing a loco in a museum on a small 2.5mile preserved line and on the main line. For me it's akin to seeing an animal stuffed in the zoo or in the wild.

So you are part of the disconnect. Welcome to the party!

Grandeeod wrote: »

Seven pages in and I'm getting a real insight into why nothing really happens.

As for Stradbally, Del Monte was correct and there really is no need to be offended. As for the WSVR, its working because its commercial in its approach. Personally I liked it because it gave me a chance to travel over a closed line regardless of guage or stock. The general public enjoy it for what it is, a train ride with seasonal attractions such as Halloween and Christmas. Even the RPSI get that much too.

I think Downpatrick is great. Small, but at least accessible and has a varied assortment of stuff running on actual track.

I'm sensing that there is a disconnect between those interested in preservation and this disconnect is spread across mainline running, preserved lines and authenticity.

There is a big difference between seeing a loco in a museum on a small 2.5mile preserved line and on the main line. For me it's akin to seeing an animal stuffed in the zoo or in the wild.

Grandeeod

Seven pages in and I'm getting a real insight into why nothing really happens.

As for Stradbally, Del Monte was correct and there really is no need to be offended. As for the WSVR, its working because its commercial in its approach. Personally I liked it because it gave me a chance to travel over a closed line regardless of guage or stock. The general public enjoy it for what it is, a train ride with seasonal attractions such as Halloween and Christmas. Even the RPSI get that much too.

I think Downpatrick is great. Small, but at least accessible and has a varied assortment of stuff running on actual track.

I'm sensing that there is a disconnect between those interested in preservation and this disconnect is spread across mainline running, preserved lines and authenticity.

Either way it's going to be an IE driver at the controls.

GM228

hurricanemk1c wrote: »

Only IE, NIR, Belmond, Balfour Beatty and the RPSI can charter locos as they are Railway Undertakings (RUs). Anybody else has to go through them

Any person or company can charter a loco or train, only an undertaking can operate their own stock or under their own licence, there's a difference. Chartering and operating are different.

RU status and the associated safety certification is only required to run your own stock as a seperate enterprise.

topnotch wrote: »

They managed to crash 146 between the buffers and the door of the shed, I'm sure the insurance would be kind of high. But ''twas alright she was riddled with rust.

Not that the above has anything do with the topic it but CIE & NIR have had plenty of minor incidents down the years. Why such an axe to grind with Downpatrick?

hurricanemk1c

Del.Monte wrote: »

You may not have noticed, 071s are part of CIE's fleet and anybody can hire one to haul a special - even the IRRS manage it.

Only IE, NIR, Belmond, Balfour Beatty and the RPSI can charter locos as they are Railway Undertakings (RUs). Anybody else has to go through them

end of the road

railer201 wrote: »

That's very interesting indeed !

i think he might be referring to the scrap yard (sorry i mean stored stock) . plenty of 201s, a couple of mk4s, the 8200s and possibly more, all preserved for the nation!!!!!

Del.Monte wrote: »

The only reason that we won't see preserved diesel tours on the mainline in the near future is high insurance costs and bums on seats. Could be got around of course with a bit of thinking outside the box, but there's no will in CIE to do that.

They managed to crash 146 between the buffers and the door of the shed, I'm sure the insurance would be kind of high. But ''twas alright she was riddled with rust.

whisky_galore

savagethegoat wrote: »

it isn't quite dead in the water. KCC intend to throw another million of our money at it if they can get Govt to cough up.

That'll be the day...

topnotch wrote: »

It's loco hauled traction on the main line and that's what counts, albeit overpriced. It's likely that the 071's are going to outlast the 201's at this rate so I'm glad they're still part of the fleet. The Downpatrick with their whopping 2.5 miles of bone shaker track are going nowhere fast, literally.

yes Downpatrick could use a little tamping but they'll get there and they have the other branch and loop line too so all good . Inch Abbey is a great destination too.

I don't see the point in knocking them for their success, there's plenty of failures to dis!

topnotch wrote: »

It's loco hauled traction on the main line and that's what counts, albeit overpriced. It's likely that the 071's are going to outlast the 201's at this rate so I'm glad they're still part of the fleet. The Downpatrick with their whopping 2.5 miles of bone shaker track are going nowhere fast, literally.

The only reason that we won't see preserved diesel tours on the mainline in the near future is high insurance costs and bums on seats. Could be got around of course with a bit of thinking outside the box, but there's no will in CIE to do that.

savagethegoat wrote: »

even the ITG have too I think

Ya they ask for salt and get pepper.

Del.Monte wrote: »

You may not have noticed, 071s are part of CIE's fleet and anybody can hire one to haul a special - even the IRRS manage it.

It's loco hauled traction on the main line and that's what counts, albeit overpriced. It's likely that the 071's are going to outlast the 201's at this rate so I'm glad they're still part of the fleet. The Downpatrick with their whopping 2.5 miles of bone shaker track are going nowhere fast, literally.

topnotch wrote: »

Yes it's called Inchicore works. Plenty of preserved locos and rolling stock on site.

I think most of them (if not all) moved to Connolly a few months ago

Del.Monte wrote: »

You may not have noticed, 071s are part of CIE's fleet and anybody can hire one to haul a special - even the IRRS manage it.

even the ITG have too I think

topnotch wrote: »

The last railtour they ran was a 141 fair well back in 2010 which ran with an 071.
The RPSI have run a dozen or so trips behind 071's since then.

You may not have noticed, 071s are part of CIE's fleet and anybody can hire one to haul a special - even the IRRS manage it.

railer201

Yes it's called Inchicore works. Plenty of preserved locos and rolling stock on site.

That's very interesting indeed !

railer201 wrote: »

Why ? is there a superior self-contained standard gauge preservation set up down here that we don't know of ?

Yes it's called Inchicore works. Plenty of preserved locos and rolling stock on site.

railer201

It won't be long now till you have to leave the EU to go up to that kip.

Why ? is there a superior self-contained standard gauge preservation set up down here that we don't know of ?

savagethegoat wrote: »

They run exactly the same number of diesel locos on IE that RPSI do

The last railtour they ran was a 141 fair well back in 2010 which ran with an 071.
The RPSI have run a dozen or so trips behind 071's since then.

railer201 wrote: »

At least D&CDR's main line out to Inch Abbey is their own.

It won't be long now till you have to leave the EU to go up to that kip.:D

railer201

Seeing locos running at 5mph on downpatricks bone shaker track is a sad end for any loco or stock.

At least D&CDR's main line out to Inch Abbey is their own.

GM228

topnotch wrote: »

Remind me again of what they preserved that will be running on the main line anytime soon. Seeing locos running at 5mph on downpatricks bone shaker track is a sad end for any loco or stock.

They may not be running on the mainlline but at least they were saved from the scrap man. Would the 101, 201s, As etc be still with us had there been no ITG, who knows?

I wouldn't call running on Downpatrick a sad end, I would however consider meeting a cutters torch to be a sad end.