Itziger wrote: » TFBubendorfer wrote: » Get better soon! Make absolutely sure you let the cardiologist know you are an endurance athlete as that has a big effect on HR. The cardiologist needs to know that before he/she can draw any conclusions. Yeah, I told him already. It's unbelievable how ignorant some people are about training and such like. Not necessarily the specialist but some of the other docs. Some could hardly believe that I was doing more than 100kms a week. I think one of the tests next week is on a static bike. Don't know how that'll go cos I'm absolutely $hite on a bike. Results may not be conclusive!!
TFBubendorfer wrote: » Get better soon! Make absolutely sure you let the cardiologist know you are an endurance athlete as that has a big effect on HR. The cardiologist needs to know that before he/she can draw any conclusions.
Itziger wrote: » Oh dear, I'm on easy street after a problem yesterday. Had a few wobbly moments at work and they carted me off in an ambulance. Turns out the old heart beat is very low, 30 before they gave me a couple of drugs. I have to take it easy for a bit and I'm back with cardiologist next Wed. for a couple of tests. Just when I was coming into a bit of form for God sake. Might have to go with pacemaker if the problem persists. I'm too young for a pacemaker!!!! Lads, especially my fellow middle aged runners, keep an eye on the health from time to time.
Itziger wrote: Oh dear, I'm on easy street after a problem yesterday. Had a few wobbly moments at work and they carted me off in an ambulance. Turns out the old heart beat is very low, 30 before they gave me a couple of drugs. I have to take it easy for a bit and I'm back with cardiologist next Wed. for a couple of tests. Just when I was coming into a bit of form for God sake.
conavitzky wrote: » How has everybody getting on with their training? In the middle of highest mileage week after a 10k race last weekend and the cumulative training fatigue effect has definitely kicked in. Midweek long run was torture last night. Legs like lumps of lead. Experience telling me that its just tiredness and the legs will come back around during the taper, yet the little devil on the shoulder:mad: is going - you have blown it boyo. You will never get back to the way you were feeling last week!
daydorunrun wrote: » 3x5 miles @mp.
daydorunrun wrote: » For the 3/4 race on Sunday I was thinking of doing the 5,4,3,2,1 session or 3x5 miles @mp. Are these sessions a bit too hard to be doing 3 weeks out? The P&D plan has a regular 20 long run scheduled.
sideswipe wrote: » Interested to hear people's opinion on this also. Doing the 3/4 and don't want to over do it (been there....done that!) Was thinking of doing the 5,4,3,2,1 but running the 800's easy?
Sandwell wrote: » I'm not doing the 3/4 but I have my last 20 miler of the P&D 55 plan this weekend and I've been torn all week between sticking to the plan and running it as normal or adding in some MP stuff. I think I'm going to take the conservative option and follow the plan to the letter. As it's my first marathon I've got no basis for comparison so there's little to be gained (for me) in second guessing the plan.
daydorunrun wrote: » Not going for sub 3 (aiming for 3:05ish before targeting sub 3 nest year). feeling tired atm. Suffering from early onset taper madness! Doing the 3/4 marathon on Sunday and have been reading back in this thread for advice about MP sessions 3 weeks out. I'm following P&D 70 mile plan with a few changes (have added more MP miles to long runs as I feel I've been short on these before). I've done a 20 mile w/ 4,3,2,1 at MP w/800 meter steady, 18 w/13 @mp, 20 w/13 @mp, 18 w/14 @mp (2 weeks ago) as well as an easier 18 & 22 miler. For the 3/4 race on Sunday I was thinking of doing the 5,4,3,2,1 session or 3x5 miles @mp. Are these sessions a bit too hard to be doing 3 weeks out? The P&D plan has a regular 20 long run scheduled.
28064212 wrote: » My personal favourite plan for the 3/4 is: First third (quarter-marathon) at MP + (15-to-30 seconds per km) Second third at MP + (5-to-15 s/km) Last third at MP Couple of pros: It's a negative split plan, so you're (hopefully) passing people out towards the end The MP kms are done when you're at your most tired, so it's a pretty tough workout, but not so long that it'll take a long time to recover It's got more "headroom" if you do go out too fast or have selected an MP that's too hard (if you're suffering after the first third, you've done a lot less damage than if you had ran it at/with sections at MP) It's more representative of race-day: no easing off periods, just gets tougher, and it's all solid pacing, no surge-and-rest The 3/4 marathon has timing mats at each split, so you know exactly when to pick up the pace. Only two pace changes to remember too! Also, the last third was the toughest (hills-wise) when it was in Athlone, good prep for Dublin. Not sure if that's still true
ger664 wrote: » Its your 1st Marathon so work on your endurance no need or reason to do MP stuff, leave that for the big day.
dna_leri wrote: » Surely first marathoners aiming for sub3 should be doing MP stuff!
ger664 wrote: » Regardless of their ability a first/second time marathon runner will not have very many 2+ hour long runs done. Adding the extra stress of MP miles in the last long run at the end of the training cycle this close to the race may leave them not full rested/recovered on race day. Many novices runners have left their Dublin races on the road in the 3/4 marathon by running at our close to MP. Someone with 3 or more marathon training cycles done is a different proposition. Most people on this thread would fall into this category.
dna_leri wrote: » Surely first marathoners aiming for sub3 should be doing MP stuff! Did 31k (19mi) with 3x7k MP off 1k myself. Felt bit tired from week's effort but was good session.
Sacksian wrote: » I think I did the 5-4-3-2-1 @MP session (off a mile easy) two or three weeks out from my first marathon. If you recover and taper properly, there should be no way you leave your marathon in that session. Personally, efficiency at MP was a bigger deal for me - it meant the actual race was enjoyable - than traditional endurance mileage. On the day, you have to run 26.2 miles at that pace continuously, if you are not extremely comfortable running at that pace beforehand, I think you'll struggle. Which is why I disagree with the way a lot of people run a half at MP 3 weeks out from their goal race. A half at MP should be pretty handy in a race situation, with company, etc. Everyone's different, of course, but that was my experience!
KielyUnusual wrote: » Hold it a minute. You've run a marathon :eek::D
ger664 wrote: » Regardless of their ability a first/second time marathon runner will not have very many 2+ hour long runs done. Adding the extra stress of MP miles in the last long run at the end of the training cycle this close to the race may leave them not full rested/recovered on race day.
Sandwell wrote: » He ran the full 3/4 marathon today at 6:40 pace. It'll be interesting to see how he goes in 3 weeks.
