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The UK Government wants to draw up a list of all 'non-British' workers

Nomis21

http://www.thejournal.ie/uk-foreigners-3010996-Oct2016/

Does anyone really think that Irish citizens working in the UK will be included in this list?

Or is this just media scaremongering?

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[Deleted User]

I don't think we Irish can get too smug: because most Irish politicians emulate most Irish people and slavishly ape what the English do - in this case embracing myopic race-to-the-bottom neoliberal policies and ideology where "multiculturalism" really means a cheap supply of foreign labour keeping wage costs down/the poor poorer/the rich richer - you can be fairly sure whatever fúckups the British do (and Brexit is the latest) the slaveen Paddies will inflict it on Ireland with time.

Ongar... Balbriggan... when the race riots come to Ireland, too, watch the slaveens look to the British for a solution. Tools. They never learn, and our society suffers because of their addiction to the Anglo-American fundamentalism that is neoliberal market economics.

wes

Deleted User wrote: »

I don't think we Irish can get too smug: because most Irish politicians emulate most Irish people and slavishly ape what the English do - in this case embracing myopic race-to-the-bottom neoliberal policies and ideology where "multiculturalism" really means a cheap supply of foreign labour keeping wage costs down/the poor poorer/the rich richer - you can be fairly sure whatever fúckups the British do (and Brexit is the latest) the slaveen Paddies will inflict it on Ireland with time.

Ongar... Balbriggan... when the race riots come to Ireland, too, watch the slaveens look to the British for a solution. Tools. They never learn, and our society suffers because of their addiction to the Anglo-American fundamentalism that is neoliberal market economics.

Well, that a heaping pile of self hatred if I ever saw one.

Nomis21

Deleted User wrote: »

I don't think we Irish can get too smug: because most Irish politicians emulate most Irish people and slavishly ape what the English do - in this case embracing myopic race-to-the-bottom neoliberal policies and ideology where "multiculturalism" really means a cheap supply of foreign labour keeping wage costs down/the poor poorer/the rich richer - you can be fairly sure whatever fúckups the British do (and Brexit is the latest) the slaveen Paddies will inflict it on Ireland with time.

Ongar... Balbriggan... when the race riots come to Ireland, too, watch the slaveens look to the British for a solution. Tools. They never learn, and our society suffers because of their addiction to the Anglo-American fundamentalism that is neoliberal market economics.

The British are currently suffering under a right wing Conservative government that lost the Brexit vote due to the electorate not so much voting to leave Europe so much as wanting to give the Conservatives a smack in the face.

They will be out at the next election, but the damage is already done.

[Deleted User]

wes wrote: »

Well, that a heaping pile of self hatred if I ever saw one.

There's your problem right there: it's "self-hatred" to state the obvious that the policymakers of this state slavishly follow the neoliberal model and that the same problems resultant from the model in Britain will continue to befall this society. The irrational part is denying this and attacking somebody who states the obvious.

Mongfinder General

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I don't think we Irish can get too smug: because most Irish politicians emulate most Irish people and slavishly ape what the English do - in this case embracing myopic race-to-the-bottom neoliberal policies and ideology where "multiculturalism" really means a cheap supply of foreign labour keeping wage costs down/the poor poorer/the rich richer - you can be fairly sure whatever fúckups the British do (and Brexit is the latest) the slaveen Paddies will inflict it on Ireland with time.

Ongar... Balbriggan... when the race riots come to Ireland, too, watch the slaveens look to the British for a solution. Tools. They never learn, and our society suffers because of their addiction to the Anglo-American fundamentalism that is neoliberal market economics.

Ongar, Balbriggan. What have the folk out there got to complain about?

wes

Deleted User wrote: »

There's your problem right there: it's "self-hatred" to state the obvious that the policymakers of this state slavishly follow the neoliberal model and that the same problems resultant from the model in Britain will continue to befall this society. The irrational part is denying this and attacking somebody who states the obvious.

Look at the language you used. It smacks of self hatred. Just stating the obvious.

[Deleted User]

Mongfinder General wrote: »

Ongar, Balbriggan. What have the folk out there got to complain about?

Walk into a school in those areas and the segregated future is staring you. Indeed ask Irish-born parents where they're sending their children to in those areas. But we can't talk about this. Let's just pretend it's not happening.

[Deleted User]

wes wrote: »

Look at the language you used. It smacks of self hatred. Just stating the obvious.

Contempt for the right-on dedicated followers of fashion who ape whatever fashion is in vogue in Britain no matter what the societal costs, yes. For the Oirish media in its entirety, yes. Nothing "self" about treating those people and their myopic, superficial, money-obsessed worldview - often dressed up as being in favour of "multiculturalism" where multiculturalism is not some enlightened humanitarianism but rather a desire for cheap foreign labour competing with Irish labour to keep wages low and profits high - with abject contempt.

Mongfinder General

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Walk into a school in those areas and the segregated future is staring you. Indeed ask Irish-born parents where they're sending their children to in those areas. But we can't talk about this. Let's just pretend it's not happening.

White flight. So what. The people living in these areas are not living in poverty. Very few of those frightful council estates that you can find in Darndale or Neilstown can be found in Balbriggan. Coloured and white folk seem pretty content out there Ongar and Balbriggan

wes

Deleted User wrote: »

Contempt for the right-on dedicated followers of fashion who ape whatever fashion is in vogue in Britain no matter what the societal costs, yes. For the Oirish media in its entirety, yes. Nothing "self" about treating those people and their myopic, superficial, money-obsessed worldview - often dressed up as being in favour of "multiculturalism" where multiculturalism is not some enlightened humanitarianism but rather a desire for cheap foreign labour competing with Irish labour to keep wages low and profits high - with abject contempt.

You'd have a point, but I see no rush to follow the British with there most recent Brexit fiasco. IMHO, what your saying smacks of hyperbole.

[Deleted User]

Mongfinder General wrote: »

White flight. So what. The people living in these areas are not living in poverty. Very few of those frightful council estates that you can find in Darndale or Neilstown can be found in Balbriggan. Coloured and white folk seem pretty content out there Ongar and Balbriggan

Poverty is one thing. Poverty that can be attributed - whether fairly or not - to ethnicity and discrimination as it can be when areas are segregated is an entirely different thing with far more serious consequences for society. Perception of discrimination matters so much more, and it self-perpetuates. Ballymun was lovely at first, as was Ballyer - a welcome break from the slums of the city centre. And they were Irish people. Add race/ethnicity to social problems and it becomes something very, very different and ineffably harder to solve.

eviltwin

Deleted User wrote: »

Walk into a school in those areas and the segregated future is staring you. Indeed ask Irish-born parents where they're sending their children to in those areas. But we can't talk about this. Let's just pretend it's not happening.

Have you ever actually been to either of those areas ? You're talking out of your hole.

[Deleted User]

eviltwin wrote: »

Have you ever actually been to either of those areas ? You're talking out of your hole.

Perhaps you know more than the 2011 census, where over 31% of Balbriggan's population was non-Irish and overwhelmingly present in particular schools, then? Or this 2015 report in The Irish Times? (Schools admission policies have led to segregation)

'In areas where schools are oversubscribed Ms Kavanagh said one school might be made up of 85 per cent or more “newcomer” children while a neighbouring school might have a fraction of that, meaning the “composition is not representing our local communities”.

She said the tendency was for “new schools (to)become schools for newcomer families”, adding that this was already occurring in parts of Ireland including Lucan, Swords, Balbriggan and Galway.
“We don’t want to say we have segregated schools but actually we have”.

Or increasing school segregation in Ongar ('ctrl' 'f' "non-Irish").

Or this, also in 2015:

Census figures raise concerns of ethnic segregation in schools: Some 23 per cent of schools cater for four out of five immigrant children

Ignore it all you like. It doesn't change what's testified by many organisations as still happening, almost ten years after the 95% immigrant Educate Together school in Balbriggan made national and international headlines.

uch

We had the Flight of the Earls about 7 hundred years ago, Maybe the Earls will Come back now, it's cyclical, we'll be grand

HensVassal

BrokenArrows wrote: »

It is pretty amazing that they dont already have this information.

Im all for freedom of travel, but that doesnt mean you shouldnt track who is coming and going from the country.

Passports should be displayed and recorded at all borders.

Why?

HensVassal

BrokenArrows wrote: »

I don't think there is anything wrong with this as long as it targets companies which are purposely hiring foreigners for whatever reason and discriminating against British candidates of equal or better qualifications.

Could you give an example of a "whatever reason"? Why would a company hire a foreigner over an British citizen?

HensVassal

BrokenArrows wrote: »

Its not pointless at all.

A country should absolutely know who is inside its borders at all times.

The current system doesn't keep track of anyone. I live in London and I could hop on a ferry to Ireland tomorrow and the UK government would have no idea that I have left the country.

One of the Major issues with the Brexit campaign was that noone had any ****ing idea how many foreign nations were actually in the country, never mind how many were actively working.
So the people who were campaigning for Brexit could say any number they wanted and there was no evidence back it up or to to counter it.

Someone in Ireland for example could book a ferry under a false name, go to the UK, commit a crime and return on the ferry to Ireland. The UK has no idea you even entered the country and Ireland didnt know you left. There are no border checks on that ferry crossing.

So what?
Why are you adamant that the Government know your whereabouts at all times? Have you become so brainwashed that you now insist on being put under surveillance?

Jesus you'd have a meltdown in Europe. Get in a car in Paris and drive east....then slam on the brakes at the German border causing a 10 mile tailback because you want to inform some gendarme you're leaving the country and some polizei dude you're entering Deutschland. Rinse, repeat at the Austrian and Italian borders.
Get in a train in Brussels and pull the emergency chord at the Dutch border demanding that the Belgians know you've left and that the cloggies are aware of your imminent arrival.

:pac:

HensVassal

The flying mouse wrote: »

I agree with this.

Give me one reason why a company in Britain would give preference to a legal immigrant over a British national?

Chips Lovell

So if I'm reading this correctly, by copying the Brits and leaving the EU, there'll be less blacks in Ballyfermott?

HensVassal

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Don't see how. Would be very nice to see those business types on the news have a light shone into their hiring practice. Especially the ones saying how good immigration is.

What exactly would it tell you about a company who hires legally entitled foreigners?

HensVassal

Deleted User wrote: »

I think the plan is more to do with employing illegals than anything else, in and around London there are huge numbers of illegal immigrants who are "under the radar" because they are employed by companies who exploit the fact that they're illegal and therefore pay them an illegally low wage cash in hand.

Nothing at all to do with EU citizens who have the right to work there.

Right....so a company who is in breach of the law is just going to pony up the names of the wetbacks in their emploi and then happily sit back and wait for the court date.

[Deleted User]

HensVassal wrote: »

Give me one reason why a company in Britain would give preference to a legal immigrant over a British national?

Call centre staff manning the "insert language here" desk, for one.

[Deleted User]

HensVassal wrote: »

Right....so a company who is in breach of the law is just going to pony up the names of the wetbacks in their emploi and then happily sit back and wait for the court date.

Companies who do not provide a list will be singled out for inspection by HMCE!
Compliant (aka legitimate) companies will just have the forms scanned.

Commotion Ocean

Forcing foreign people to be "labelled" in a company? This is like Nazi Germany and the Star of David.

[Deleted User]

Looks like it was just a "kite flying" idea in the first place, it has now been shot down in flames!
It would have been a nightmare to implement & police.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-37600566

UK companies will not be told to list or name foreign workers they employ, the government has said.
Defence Secretary Sir Michael Fallon told the BBC: "This is not going to happen" but said firms could be asked "simply to report their numbers".
That data could help identify skills gaps or be a factor in deciding whether to grant firms more visas for overseas workers, a government source said.
Labour's Diane Abbott said the Tories were in "disarray" over their policy.