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BBC Sack Jon Holmes As They want To "Diversify"

The Wolverine

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3817609/BBC-sacked-white-man-Radio-4-comic-told-need-women-minorities.html#article-3817609

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/jon-holmes-bbc-presenter-sacked-white-man-mail-on-sunday-a7341831.html

BBC presenter Jon Holmes has been let go from his show because they wanted to replace it with more women and diversity.

He got a phone call which said:

'I'll get straight to the point,' she continued. 'I'm afraid for the next series, we're not inviting you back. We're recasting it with more women and diversity.'

What the actual ****? Several ex BBC emoloyees and applicants have come forward with similar. A woman who applied for a job there was told 'we can't have you, because you are too white and middle class'

"Another performer was considered 'perfect' for a role but could not be employed because bosses had been told to cast someone Asian, he said."

Funny that as an ex Labour member was hired without the mandatory application process as a high up the other day who's very much white and rich. I wonder will they agree to replacing board room members to "diversify". The BBC is an absolute disgusting organisation.

Do they not even engage their brains and realise what a racist policy this is towards men and women?

Ex members who actually set up the diverse policy believe it's even got out of hand

"One executive admitted: 'It was never about sacking people who already do the job and simply replacing them to tick a box"

Rather ironically, racial equality campaigner Trevor Phillips said it showed the BBC 'don't believe black or Asian people are as good as white people' :pac:

He said: 'They are misunderstanding what the point of the diversity drive was about. This sounds like somebody who is basically climbing their way up the greasy ladder and they think hiring black and Asian talent is part of what they have got to do to look good.

Another interesting tidbit was:

"The BBC has been at the centre of 'diversity' rows in the past. In 2001, its then director-general Greg Dyke provoked a storm for declaring the Corporation was 'hideously white'"

Then these people working there are shocked when investigation after investigation is made into them for bias and talks are has about privatising them. It's no shock these people are funded by the public as the station would be bankrupt if it was a private station with all its waste.

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[Deleted User]

If replacement's not a one legged transgendered ginger midget with a pirate accent I'll be personally offended.

Grayson

Are the replacements any good? Cause if they're **** than this is really bad.

btw, I have no idea who any of these people are.

The Wolverine

Grayson wrote: »

Are the replacements any good? Cause if they're **** than this is really bad.

btw, I have no idea who any of these people are.

Doesn't matter if they are good or not sacking someone cause they don't fit what you could call an ethnic quota is disgusting whether white or black or purple is the one sacked.

Imagine they said to a black presenter "we have enough black presenters we need to whiten up the lineup, we won't be taking you on for the next series"

There would be war.

[Deleted User]

So he is being discriminated against by his employer because of his race and his gender. Sounds illegal to be honest.

Oh wait, he is a white male, carry on then.........

kneemos

Only John Holmes I've heard of was the guy with the wang.Is that why he dropped the h?

The Wolverine

[Deleted User] wrote: »

So he is being discriminated against by his employer because of his race and his gender. Sounds illegal to be honest.

Oh wait, he is a white male, carry on then.........

Nevemind the old white male thing it's slowly becoming just white they seem to have a problem with white women too can't be having them either.

dav3

The Wolverine wrote: »

Doesn't matter if they are good or not sacking someone cause they don't fit what you could call an ethnic quota is disgusting whether white or black or purple is the one sacked.

Imagine they said to a black presenter "we have enough black presenters we need to whiten up the lineup, we won't be taking you on for the next series"

There would be war.

Was he sacked or was his contract not renewed? Big difference.

Got to love your tabloidesque thread title, 8/10 for that one.

Here is a statement from the BBC.

A BBC spokesman said: “While the government’s new charter for the BBC does set us diversity targets, we always hire presenters on merit. We’d like to thank Jon Holmes for his contribution but our comedy shows are constantly evolving and it was simply time to create opportunities for new regulars when The Now Show returns this autumn.

“Jon’s contract was lapsed and wasn’t renewed and this was a creative not a diversity decision.”

But they would say that wouldn't they? Grrrrrrr damn men hating BBC. Or perhaps after 18 years they just decided to go in a different direction to what looks like a poor man's Alan Partridge.

No doubt you'll catch a few with the thread title though.

darkpagandeath

What's the demographic breakdown in the UK to claim hideously white ? Would this not be akin to going to Japan and complaining there are not enough White Europeans on the network ?

[Deleted User]

dav3 wrote: »

Or perhaps after 18 years they just decided to go in a different direction to what looks like a poor man's Alan Partridge.

No doubt you'll catch a few with the thread title though.

Indeedy.

He can't be that great a comic. I've never heard of him.

So his contract wasn't renewed and he says it's because he's not a one-legged black lesbian. Which is making headlines and publicising his name.

Handy that, now he's unemployed.

BoJack Horseman

Get Mishal Hussein in there.
She is already carrying the entire BBC on her shoulders.

ArtSmart

dav3 wrote: »

Was he sacked or was his contract not renewed? Big difference.

Got to love your tabloidesque thread title, 8/10 for that one.

Here is a statement from the BBC.

But they would say that wouldn't they? Grrrrrrr damn men hating BBC. Or perhaps after 18 years they just decided to go in a different direction to what looks like a poor man's Alan Partridge.

No doubt you'll catch a few with the thread title though.

The Wolverine

dav3 wrote: »

Was he sacked or was his contract not renewed? Big difference.

Got to love your tabloidesque thread title, 8/10 for that one.

Here is a statement from the BBC.

But they would say that wouldn't they? Grrrrrrr damn men hating BBC. Or perhaps after 18 years they just decided to go in a different direction to what looks like a poor man's Alan Partridge.

No doubt you'll catch a few with the thread title though.

According to that statement, if the BBC has diversity targets then how the hell can they then claim they always "hire on merit"?

Holmes's axing follows the BBC's April announcement of new diversity targets to ensure that women will make up half of its staff by 2020, including on screen, on air and in leadership roles. The Corporation is also aiming to increase the proportion of its workforce from black, Asian and minority ethnic backgrounds to 15 per cent by the same date while lesbian, gay, bisexual or transgender people should by then make up eight per cent of the staff

So if say 85% jobs are filled and the black and minority quotas is to be filled what happens if white male and female applicants are better than some of the "minority" applicants.

I'm not sure how your trying to paint me as a "their always against the white males" tactic I was more than happy add a white woman being rejected for being "too white and middle class" and would be disgusted with a woman loosing out to fill a diversity target.

"A poor man's Alan partridge" he has numerous awards including two baftas, eight Sony gold radio awards and two British comedy awards ffs

You'll excuse me for beliveing him and other men and women over an organisation which has had senior members come out with rubbish like "it's hideously white" and "we can no longer tolerate male only panel shows" shows along with being found to have a left wing bias after two or 3 investigations. Not to mention the fact they had to make a big pay out to a former country file presenter for age discrimination.

ArtSmart

On another note; Is Alan Carr Asian?

MonkieSocks

ArtSmart wrote: »

On another note; Is Alan Carr Asian?

Yes,

Cork-Asian

He He

The Wolverine

Actually another thing I just noticed gay, lesbian, bi and trans to make up 8% of the quotas.

What the hell has being gay, bi or straight to do with getting a job there?

How do they propose to even tell, ask for a practical demonstration? Anyone could lie and say they are gay or bi and not only that are you even allowed to ask a person's orientation?

As for transgendered, I'm not being funny but say of their OPs are done will they need to provide medical evidence they changed?

Would someone be comfortable with doing that how is it any of their business?

dav3

The Wolverine wrote: »

According to that statement, if the BBC has diversity targets then how the hell can they then claim they always "hire on merit"?

So if say 85% jobs are filled and the black and minority quotas is to be filled what happens if white male and female applicants are better than some of the "minority" applicants.

I'm not sure how your trying to paint me as a "their always against the white males" tactic I was more than happy add a white woman being rejected for being "too white and middle class" and would be disgusted with a woman loosing out to fill a diversity target.

"A poor man's Alan partridge" he has numerous awards including two baftas, eight Sony gold radio awards and two British comedy awards ffs

You'll excuse me for beliveing him and other men and women over an organisation which has had senior members come out with rubbish like "it's hideously white" and "we can no longer tolerate male only panel shows" shows along with being found to have a left wing bias after two or 3 investigations. Not to mention the fact they had to make a big pay out to a former country file presenter for age discrimination.

Do you think maybe you're getting a little bit too worked up over someone the majority of people in this country haven’t heard of?
I know when I read the thread title I thought to myself, as I’m sure many others did too, ‘who the **** is Jon Holmes?’
If Jon was bringing in the viewers, or listeners, he would have had his contract renewed, it's as simple as that.

Instead of reacting to daily mail headlines such as

BBC sacked me for being a white man... even though I work in radio

and then running on here with your outrage over some imaginary cultural war, perhaps take time to reflect that you’ve just been baited by the daily mail and that most people don’t care about this ****.

Here is a quote from Jon on that particular headline

Well, let's just clear this up. That headline isn't a quote, or what I've said at all.

So why don’t you calm down getting so worked up over what’s happening within a UK broadcaster and take a few deep breaths.

He wasn't sacked, his contract wasn't renewed.

kneemos

Diversification is good.Never put all your eggs in one basket.

darkpagandeath

kneemos wrote: »

Diversification is good.Never put all your eggs in one basket.

Is the uk not 55m white ?

kneemos

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Is the uk not 55m white ?

Don't think it's a them and us situation in fairness.

darkpagandeath

kneemos wrote: »

Don't think it's a them and us situation in fairness.

What that supposed to mean just talking demographics for transparency like. I have noticed on the UK major news networks it's a good 50/50 mix. Does a black woman count as a woman or a minority for example ?

Bowlardo

his contract was not renewed. he wasn't fired. really misleading headline.

darkpagandeath

Bowlardo wrote: »

his contract was not renewed. he wasn't fired. really misleading headline.

You think in a labour court reason for not renewing contract... Diversity would fly ?

aphex™

Used to hate watching cbbc when I was a kid. It was like paint by numbers. You could only have two whites on screen if you had a black person to go with them.

kneemos

darkpagandeath wrote: »

What that supposed to mean just talking demographics for transparency like. I have noticed on the UK major news networks it's a good 50/50 mix. Does a black woman count as a woman or a minority for example ?

Depends on the region I suppose,but even at that the majority are probably second or third generation British,so to single them out on colour is a bit on the racist side as they are as British as theQueen.Though not reflecting society could also be viewed as racist.

darkpagandeath

kneemos wrote: »

Depends on the region I suppose,but even at that the majority are probably second or third generation British,so to single them out on colour is a bit on the racist side as they are as British as theQueen.Though not reflecting society could also be viewed as racist.

Works the other way around no ? To many white on the telly ? There as British as the Queen to ? As I pointed out in the Japan example you would be laughed out of Japan saying Diversity.

suicide_circus

Thomas Sowell had a good take on "diversity".

ligerdub

Whether or not his contract wasn't renewed or he was fired it makes no odds, having quotas on diversity make anyone not in that quota group from their existing staff members extremely vulnerable in their jobs.

He specifically may or may not have been let go anyway (given how long he has been the I suggest he would have been kept on), but at some point you will reach people who are getting shafted by this stupid policy.

The fact that he was told this over the phone was somewhat noble of them, but it does say that he specifically has been a victim here, and it's unpleasant.

It's not just confined to media, I have a personal experience of this. I remember seeing a job spec not so long ago that I could have written specifically for me based on my background. I applied for it and heard nothing. The role kept on being readvertised, but still no response to my application. I ended up speaking to a recruiter about it, and the recruiter told me (off the record) that they were specifically looking for a woman to fill the role, as the team has an issue of too many men on the team. They were advertising for several months, and proved quite frustrating for me to continue to see this advertised.

The Wolverine

kneemos wrote: »

Depends on the region I suppose,but even at that the majority are probably second or third generation British,so to single them out on colour is a bit on the racist side as they are as British as theQueen.Though not reflecting society could also be viewed as racist.

Yes but even if they are British born and bred and as British as the Queen doesn't help them whether white, black or say Indian.

The quotas are labeled by skin colour from their April announcement not say country of origin.

BlitzKrieg

"I'm afraid for the next series, we're not inviting you back. We're recasting it with more women and diversity"

thats code for cheaper

which incidentally often does involve someone who is female or from a minority group but thats beside the point.

Its a show with 6 full time cast members, he was out of contract and I imagine the budget needed tightening and he was the easiest to drop being out of contract.

The BBC stating he was dropped for *creative reasons* is also code for dont look at us it was decision made within the production which is almost always budgetary.

Insect Overlord

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