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Eircode - its implemetation (merged)

beveragelady

I called An Post today to try to sort out a problem with deliveries. The customer service chap was very helpful and I think it all got sorted.
The thing is, I tried to give him my Eircode because I live at a vague rural address but he said that they're not using them because the system isn't set up.
Amazed!
It's bad enough that they're no good to users of satnavs or google maps, but this is just astonishing. Can anybody explain how this could have been launched to such fanfare when it's all but meaningless?

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Bray Head

Carawaystick wrote: »

Don't the revenue have unique identifiers for lpt? which has to be paid up before a sale goes through

Yes, but it cannot be matched to the SEAI BER database. This is what allows you (statistically) to construct the index to adjust for the characteristics (floor size, bedrooms) of the properties sold in the month.

Only eircode can link up these databases.

Carawaystick

Do you have to have an eircode to sell land?

Bray Head

Carawaystick wrote: »

Do you have to have an eircode to sell land?

I don't think so.

Eircodes are only for buildings you can deliver to.

Carawaystick

So you could sell a house without an eircode? and yet the cso would track it

Bray Head

Carawaystick wrote: »

So you could sell a house without an eircode? and yet the cso would track it

I am not sure how you are making that leap of logic.

AFAIK the Revenue e-stamping form demands an eircode for payment of stamp duty which allows transfer of title.

ukoda

Some spoof eircode account (eirecodes) is tweeting a load of eircodes on Twitter. It's a bit weird. I suspect it's the anti eircode crowd as they have immediately picked up on it and started tweeting journalists asking if the eircode database was hacked. Of course the irony is that you wouldn't need to hack it to do this, If i or anyone had time they could tweet every eircode in the country without having to do a bit of hacking.

PeterHughes

At the rate of tweeting (3 per min) it would have taken over 500 days to tweet every eircode, can't see any point.

It did occur to me that he may be trying to draw a picture with Eircode points...

ukoda wrote: »

Some spoof eircode account (eirecodes) is tweeting a load of eircodes on Twitter. It's a bit weird. I suspect it's the anti eircode crowd as they have immediately picked up on it and started tweeting journalists asking if the eircode database was hacked. Of course the irony is that you wouldn't need to hack it to do this, If i or anyone had time they could tweet every eircode in the country without having to do a bit of hacking.

ukoda

PeterHughes wrote: »

At the rate of tweeting (3 per min) it would have taken over 500 days to tweet every eircode, can't see any point.

It did occur to me that he may be trying to draw a picture with Eircode points...

They shut it down now anyway

TheChizler

Just bought something on LivingSocial and they had a field under the delivery address for Eircode and a link to the finder.

gctest50

Carawaystick wrote: »

Do you have to have an eircode to sell land?

There's a field in it that goes something like

: being built

so someday once you apply for PP you can get an Eircode ( and stuff delivered to the site without "over the bridge, around the corner to where the house was knocked 200 years ago but it's only a field now, you'd never know )

medoc

Axa car insurance online quotation has an option to enter Eircode rather than entering your address and trying to verify it like most other insurance companies. For a unique rural address it can be a pain in the arse to verify as their options aren't logical sometimes. Good to see Axa using eircode. Just a pity about the ridiculous quote

ukoda

My Hailo Taxi receipt had the eircode of the pickup and drop off location printed on it

You can also choose a pickup location using eircode to search for it

ukoda

CSO using routing key for house prices:

http://www.cso.ie/en/interactivezone/interactivetools/housepricesbyeircode/

And found this on twitter:

The AA putting eircode on their posters

https://twitter.com/manaboutcouch/status/786975529861779457

plodder

ukoda wrote: »

CSO using routing key for house prices:

http://www.cso.ie/en/interactivezone/interactivetools/housepricesbyeircode/

And found this on twitter:

The AA putting eircode on their posters

https://twitter.com/manaboutcouch/status/786975529861779457

The AA thing is clever and genuinely useful. Check out the CSO stats page and while it is useful, click on any of the first three areas A41, A42, or A45.

Too few transactions - result unavailable.

This is the converse of the problem I've been banging on about. These areas are too small to have enough data for this series, which is surprising given that there definitely has been houses sold. Maybe, they need at least one sale per month to be able to do the graph. They might be able to workaround the problem in a future version by presenting the data differently for these areas. But, for now, rural North west county Dublin has no data and further shows that the routing key areas were not optimally designed for statistics, yet despite that, people will still use them regardless.

When it comes to presenting statistical data that has privacy implications, people will have to be very careful with these low population areas.

Contrast with a hierarchical postcode like the UK's. If this data were available there, you could query at the level of individual postcode (probably too small), postcode area, district or sector, which would all be useful, and cover the entire country.

ukoda

Just to point out, searching CSO data by eircode is optional. You can also simply type the name of an area

plodder

ukoda wrote: »

Just to point out, searching CSO data by eircode is optional. You can also simply type the name of an area

The areas are all routing key areas. You can't type in area names, eg Raheny, unless they correspond to a routing key. This is the whole point. It's very easy to generate stats like this, which is why they do it.

ukoda

plodder wrote: »

The areas are all routing key areas. You can't type in area names, eg Raheny, unless they correspond to a routing key. This is the whole point. It's very easy to generate stats like this, which is why they do it.

http://www.cso.ie/px/pxeirestat/Database/eirestat/House%20Prices/House%20Prices_statbank.asp?sp=House%20Prices

Or use this section to search to see all the other ways you can display house prices. By eircode is just the latetest method in a range of ways they output data

byrnefm

Btw I thought An Post said that Dublin district codes still need to be used on mail even if you include the Eircode? A postal receipt I got during the week seems to indicate otherwise!

See attached photo - notice the 1 in Dublin 1 is missing.

[Deleted User]

byrnefm wrote: »

Btw I thought An Post said that Dublin district codes still need to be used on mail even if you include the Eircode? A postal receipt I got during the week seems to indicate otherwise!

See attached photo - notice the 1 in Dublin 1 is missing.

Makes perfect sense, why put the postcode twice on the address.

Dublin 1 is the old postcode, D01 XXXX is the new one.

Carawaystick

Deleted User wrote: »

Makes perfect sense, why put the postcode twice on the address.

Dublin 1 is the old postcode, D01 XXXX is the new one.

Except for say D13 or D24, where D13XXXX includes places in Meath or D24XXXX includes places in Wicklow...

BowWow

Carawaystick wrote: »

Except for say D13 or D24, where D13XXXX includes places in Meath or D24XXXX includes places in Wicklow...

Think you mean D15 and not D13?

[Deleted User]

Carawaystick wrote: »

Except for say D13 or D24, where D13XXXX includes places in Meath or D24XXXX includes places in Wicklow...

Dublin city postcodes are what I was referring to, if you're in the 'burbs the name of the suburb would be there in place of Dublin.

sondagefaux

The AA is putting Eircodes on its temporary directional signs:

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Padster90s

sondagefaux wrote: »

The AA is putting Eircodes on its temporary directional signs:

How does that work? What postcodes do they use and why? Seems like a good idea as its 99% working on maps but I just don't understand it!

sondagefaux

Padster90s wrote: »

sondagefaux wrote: »

The AA is putting Eircodes on its temporary directional signs:

How does that work? What postcodes do they use and why? Seems like a good idea as its 99% working on maps but I just don't understand it!

D08 V04N is the Eircode for Griffith College in Dublin where the exhibition shown on that AA signpost took place.

You can get directions to D08 V04N by putting it into Google Maps.

I presume the AA will put Eircodes on temporary signposts allowing people to navigate to the locations mentioned on the signposts by putting the Eircodes into Google Maps.

Padster90s

sondagefaux wrote: »

D08 V04N is the Eircode for Griffith College in Dublin where the exhibition shown on that AA signpost took place.

You can get directions to D08 V04N by putting it into Google Maps.

I presume the AA will put Eircodes on temporary signposts allowing people to navigate to the locations mentioned on the signposts by putting the Eircodes into Google Maps.

Right, that does make sense! I'm only seeing now that sign says traffic management, I assumed it was a diversion, my bad!

sondagefaux

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In line with Government Policy GWS are required to compile and submit membership Eircodes on application forms for annual subsidy and capital grants.

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There are about 120,000 households supplied by Group Water Schemes:
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There were 1,649,480 permanent private households in the state in 2011, so 120,000 is a fair proportion, about 7.3% of all permanent private households. [/font]

Impetus

In an article published in today's (22.10.2016) Irish Times, the CSO (cso.ie) is having problems working out house price increases using the Eircode. Their primary source of data is mortgages advanced and stamp tax filings.

They need to be able to combine these two sources of data (and I suspect others) to come to a more accurate view of house price movements. There is little or no address consistency between mortgage data and stamp tax filings for property transfers. Because almost 50% of houses in Ireland do not have a street/road name and house number. There is no standard address for every building. The CSO forced nearly €50 million to be wasted on developing a postcode system - and Ireland came up with the most stupidly designed system on the planet. Which few people use.

In continental Europe, and most other developed countries, every street/road has a name and every building a number and these are associated with the nearest town name. The town name is usually prefixed by a numerical postcode, which is easy to remember and used 99% of the time by everybody.

Back in the day there was a term when computers first emerged "computerizing chaos". Irish addressing, especially, but not exclusively, in rural areas is chaotic.

The CSO has been allowed by waste 50 mil computerizing chaos, and still can't by their own admission give the public accurate information on house price movements.

The arrogance of government (especially permanent government) in Ireland knows no limits. And this is regretfully matched with their incompetence.

http://www.irishtimes.com/business/economy/cso-house-price-index-built-on-complex-foundations-1.2838474

astrofool

Impetus wrote: »

In an article published in today's (22.10.2016) Irish Times, the CSO (cso.ie) is having problems working out house price increases using the Eircode. Their primary source of data is mortgages advanced and stamp tax filings.

They need to be able to combine these two sources of data (and I suspect others) to come to a more accurate view of house price movements. There is little or no address consistency between mortgage data and stamp tax filings for property transfers. Because almost 50% of houses in Ireland do not have a street/road name and house number. There is no standard address for every building. The CSO forced nearly €50 million to be wasted on developing a postcode system - and Ireland came up with the most stupidly designed system on the planet. Which few people use.

In continental Europe, and most other developed countries, every street/road has a name and every building a number and these are associated with the nearest town name. The town name is usually prefixed by a numerical postcode, which is easy to remember and used 99% of the time by everybody.

Back in the day there was a term when computers first emerged "computerizing chaos". Irish addressing, especially, but not exclusively, in rural areas is chaotic.

The CSO has been allowed by waste 50 mil computerizing chaos, and still can't by their own admission give the public accurate information on house price movements.

The arrogance of government (especially permanent government) in Ireland knows no limits. And this is regretfully matched with their incompetence.

http://www.irishtimes.com/business/economy/cso-house-price-index-built-on-complex-foundations-1.2838474

What an absurd conclusion to take from that article, completely and utterly absurd that only a fool could make.

It turns out putting the data together, though painstaking, has worked, and cost 2 staff wages over 3 years to do so (so, at most 1% of the cost you have above) and out of it they have a very accurate system which they can use into the future, only possible because we now have eircodes and BER ratings.

What an utterly bizarre rant.

gctest50

Impetus wrote: »

Because almost 50% of houses in Ireland do not have a street/road name and house number.

That was ages ago, try to keep up, they do now :

https://www.eircode.ie/

Impetus wrote: »

There is no standard address for every building.

Now there is :

https://www.eircode.ie/