Curly Judge wrote: » But why is Eircode coupled, paired, and associated with a new.... never before used ......address?
PDVerse wrote: » Your postal address isn't new, you've simply been unaware of it previously. Eircode are precluded from changing an address and simply include both a Postal and Geographic version of the address, both provided by An Post, to whoever licenses the Eircode database. An Post adding stickers to addresses that don't match their postal address isn't new. The address as you write it is not recorded anywhere as an official address: there is no "official" address database for Ireland. Address matching and verification solutions can verify your address and postcode without requiring you to provide your postal address. Some implementations aren't as sophisticated, but should improve over time.
Curly Judge wrote: » So... the address I've been using for the last seventy years .....and my father and grandfather before me....and the register of elections.... and my doctor..... and the Revenue.... has been a mere chimera? A figment of the local popular imagination perhaps?
PDVerse wrote: » The address doesn't exist in an "official" address database, because there is no "official" address database. The Eircode advice is simple: use the address you have always used, just add Eircode at the end of the address. Implementations that use Eircode data should be able to take "local use" addresses. If they can't then they should be improved. An Post always ask people to use their postal address when using their services to optimise the efficiency of the service they provide.
oscarBravo wrote: » No. Just not your postal address.
Curly Judge wrote: » All this address fallout.....which amounts to identity theft....
...is down to the implementation of a useless post code which can not be validated.
Curly Judge wrote: » Where can I find this register of addresses?
byrnefm wrote: » Curious.. the routing keys are designed around An Post's sorting requirements, for reasons described many times previously. If An Post decide in the future that, say the Galway area would have an additional major postal town area, would the current Eircode routing key be split into two to suit An Post's updated needs? Otherwise, over time, Eircode would deviate from their usage of the defined routing keys. Now, I'm not expecting that that would happen anytime soon but was wondering if it was envisaged that additional / new keys could be added over time. (Incidentally there is a lot of spare keys which could be used - 15 used letters x 100 numbers)
oscarBravo wrote: » Seriously?".
oscarBravo wrote: » Of course it can be validated.".
oscarBravo wrote: » It's called "geodirectory".
plodder wrote: » It's fairly clear from the ECAD product guide that the postal address is to all intents and purposes the official address in Eircode. Other addresses are regarded as aliases, only to be used for matching purposes. It's all very well to say continue using the address you've always used, except when you run into problems like where a credit card transaction is declined or as was mentioned before, an airline refuses to take a booking from you.
PDVerse wrote: » Eircode Routing Keys -https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?mid=1ObFwqV2vtigkclpjea3sUHNhUuw&usp=sharing Data is available as Open Data, based on Small Area data and ECAD Q216.
PDVerse wrote: » The Geographical Address has recently been added to ECAD.
Some companies insist that you enter your address exactly as it appears on a Utility bill, even if it says "Road H" because the connection occurred before the estate was named. That's just implementation. Some companies will ask for an address that exactly matches the ECAD, some will have solutions that can handle "local use" variations. Eircode facilitates a solution to this problem, without it no one could be expected to implement a solution to handle "local use" variations. You're trying to categorise the solution as the problem.
Sam Russell wrote: » Look at routing codes P51 and P61. Notice anything odd?
PDVerse wrote: » Yes, P51 is split and surrounds P61.
Carawaystick wrote: » H23 is noncontinuous also. Why are the islands at Skerries not in any routing code, while the Blaskets and Inistrahull are?
Curly Judge wrote: » Yes ....very seriously. Because of their size and importance to online transactions Pay Pal will have a very big influence on how addresses tie up with credit worthiness. It'll be only a matter of time before the incompetence of the Eircode design...and An Post's phaffing about to preserve it's bailiwick.... leads someone being refused credit, insurance cover or be regarded as a security risk by on-line agencies. Stay tooned!
It is technically incapable of being validated.
Does this geodirectory go back to before the foundation of the state? My original address does.... and I haven't been made aware of the rational for changing it, who changed it, when it was changed or even that it was being changed. I'd call that fairly arbitrary......wouldn't you?
clewbays wrote: » Thanks, are those boundaries only defined by small areas or did An Post provide digitised information on the postal towns?
PDVerse wrote: » There are approximately 18,000 small areas. 1,300 needed to be split as they contained buildings that were in different Routing Keys. Small areas were split by drawing around the ECAD buildings (rather arbitrarily).
Sam Russell wrote: » Says it all.
antoinolachtnai wrote: » The more I read, the more obvious it is. The whole design process was captured by An Post. An Post got to dictate their requirements based on their own business needs. The design document states as much in an appendix which lists out An Post's ''requirements' which are really more like demands. These requirements define almost every single aspect of the code. (The sarcastic hypothetical newspaper article above gives an idea how how this political power might have been brought to bear.) This made political sense, but it does not make any technical or business sense, because An Post is not and will not be particularly significant in terms of volume of deliveries to homes - there are other organisations that deliver services to homes just as frequently - and there are many other organization that have much higher value deliveries. The reality is that An Post is in terminal decline, and that the daily flat postal service on which the code is oriented will not survive the decade. This was the political reality of what happened. I am not knocking anybody involved, because they had to cope with the political reality and build something that fitted in with that political reality. But the post-hoc technical justification is a bit tiring. The idea that the design was a response to the use of red envelopes on Valentine's day is very hard to take without feeling that one's intelligence is being insulted. Equally hard to stomach is the proposition that manual sorting at routing code level is critically important (and so there had to be a routing code), whilst manual sorting at the local level is not important at all (and so the code at that level was randomised).
