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The Irish Times' bizarre "How To Be a Man" section

Richard Hillman

I have been flicking through it this morning with my eyes permanently lodged to the heavens

http://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/how-to-be-a-man

As if calling it "How to be a man" is bad enough, the headings include

How much should you work out? is it worth looking at the Squat?
Seven of the most popular beauty products for men
Bressie: Crying uncontrollably is liberating...and admitting you are vulnerable
Irish men on Masculinity, feminism and violence

It seems like a section for Men made by women. Or it confirms that the bitchification of males has been complete.

This newsreader says, yes to both.

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seamus

Lt Dan wrote: »

Are young men that much in self doubt and self awareness that they need role models and aspirations? What ever happened to being yourself and figuring things out for yourself, even if you make mistakes - which , actually help you in the long run ?

Surely "figuring things out for yourself" includes reading things written by other people which may or may not resonate with you? And talking to peers and asking questions of "role models" to get answers to the questions that a young adult may have?

Otherwise what do you think "figuring it out" entails? Sitting in isolation and making it up as you go along?

jmayo

Lt Dan wrote: »

Even better was getting baby faced Neymar (hey, fine footballer) as the face of Gillette.

I wonder will he turn out to be cheatin' bast*rd who robs another country of a their chance of a world cup spot or will be a cheatin' bast*rd ridin loads of women while his other half is at home ?

diomed wrote: »

I read the Racing Post.

Horseshyte as opposed to bullshyte.

ScumLord

CdeC wrote: »

But it's better than a "man the f**k up" campaign which older generations had and not much else.

It was "harden' the **** up" and it was a joke.

Whether it's what drill bit is the best to use to put up shelves in your shed

A philips head. A drill bit will just put holes in things, people who predrill screw holes are pussies.

wandatowell

the rising costs of being a man

Jesus H Christ what utter tripe.

Lt Dan

OhHiMark wrote: »

If you're talking about the article linked earlier he didn't say that he didn't have mental illness. He said he had anxiety, but not depression. Maybe he changed his mind. Are people not allowed to do that? I'm not sure where the hostility towards him about that is coming from, I'm really not.

Or, the editor changed his mind.:rolleyes:

I will say no more on him. He is the type of snowflake who would come on here , read what is sad, and whinge about it in his next article, "typical Irish....."

kunst nugget

Lt Dan wrote: »

Are young men that much in self doubt and self awareness that they need role models and aspirations? What ever happened to being yourself and figuring things out for yourself, even if you make mistakes - which , actually help you in the long run ?

So you happened to arrive at who you are through living in a vacuum without any influence from father figures or role models? Good man yourself. You should write a book about that, it'll be a definite bestseller.

Lt Dan

diomed wrote: »

I read the Racing Post.

All doom and gloom with the Arc looking to be a rather disappointing renewal.

Must resist the typical bloke attitude, must embrace the new pathetic man ways , cry cry cry

Lt Dan

kunst nugget wrote: »

So you happened to arrive at who you are through living in a vacuum without any influence from father figures or role models? Good man yourself. You should write a book about that, it'll be a definite bestseller.

You look at others and their mistakes and follies and figure out what not to do. Sure you talk to others, but you don't take everything as bible, nor do you hold someone up in any particular light

Why would I write a book? It defeats the purpose of figuring things out for yourself

Jayop

jmayo wrote: »

Horseshyte as opposed to bullshyte.

The latter is the farmers journal surely.

Samaris

Deleted User wrote: »

He subsequently said he had had it as a youngster, afair he said he broke his own arm and he called his depression "Jeffery".

So it was unusual to simply deny it. He hardly forgot breaking his own arm. Again, there may a good explanation as to his denial...but he should be asked about it.

I had it in 2013, I just wasn't admitting it/didn't realise it!

Eh, no idea about this particular guy, as I said, no idea who he is. But just from what's been said so far, could easily go either way.

whisky_galore

RobertKK wrote: »

or if I told a woman 'how to be a woman'.

Women's mags indulge in that shyte all of the time, it's their stock in trade.

Samaris

whisky_galore wrote: »

Women's mags indulge in that shyte all of the time, it's their stock in trade.

They do, and it's mildly annoying. So I don't read them, some people might like them though, whatever floats their boat.

There's a wee bit of amusement factor in this being treated as the first time a media outlet has ever dared to suggest how to be a specific gender with a load of superficial cobblers though.

Harry Browne

jmayo wrote: »

I wonder will he turn out to be cheatin' bast*rd who robs another country of a their chance of a world cup spot or will be a cheatin' bast*rd ridin loads of women while his other half is at home ?

Or just a tax cheat?

Lt Dan

jmayo wrote: »

I wonder will he turn out to be cheatin' bast*rd who robs another country of a their chance of a world cup spot or will be a cheatin' bast*rd ridin loads of women while his other half is at home ?

Horseshyte as opposed to bullshyte.

I hope he has a personality, and goes for the second one.

(Poor auld Federer was so boring , I am not sure why they dropped him)

Other point, weak bruh, weak.

FA Hayek

seamus wrote: »

It looked like there might actually be an interesting debate in this, but then the OP bemoaned the "bitchification" of men and then got joined in by the other alphabaters.

Both funny and sad that the OP and the other cheerleaders don't see the whole point of articles discussing men's depression, men's health and domestic violence come about precisely because they possess this closed-minded view of what being "a man" is, and anyone who tries to change that is apparently "bitchifying" men.

On another day no doubt they'd be moaning that the feminazi media only ever talk about the struggles that women face and never acknowledge men's issues.

Taking lessons on how to be a man from Fintan o'****ing Toole is like taking lessons on how be good in the sack by the local parish priest.

steddyeddy

What gets me with this line of thinking is the fact that on one hand they say men shouldn't subscribe to traditional male roles while at the same time telling us how to be a man.

kunst nugget

Samaris wrote: »

I had it in 2013, I just wasn't admitting it/didn't realise it!

Eh, no idea about this particular guy, as I said, no idea who he is. But just from what's been said so far, could easily go either way.

I've known plenty of people who've denied that they have depression or a mental illness who have later gone on to admit that they were. It's hardly a barometer of his untrustworthiness, is it? It can be something that takes people a while to be comfortable with before they can be open and public about it.

CdeC

ChikiChiki wrote: »

What's the craic with the Gay agenda these days? It's normalised and accepted with equal rights but some of the voices from the community can be OTT in my opinion. We get it your gay ffs, no need to shout it from the rooftops. It's like people are trying to stoke up some kind of revolution.

You won't know about the gay agenda until it's too late!!!!

But seriously I think it is good to have a discussion on masculinity.
Mens role in society is changing.
Physically demanding jobs are becoming less important and Jam jars are now manufactured to be easy open.

how will men fit in to this new world order?

I suggest we secretly allow women to take all the jobs under a cloud of equality and then we take off on Bikes/yachts/motorcars and travel the world.

FA Hayek

steddyeddy wrote: »

What gets me with this line of thinking is the fact that on one hand they say men shouldn't subscribe to traditional male roles while at the same time telling us how to be a man.

This is pretty much it. Its just more of the same subtle brain washing of our betters telling men how to feel, what to think, how to act, dress and what morals to have in relation to the latest cool and trendy 'current events'. I see the term rape culture is shoe horned in there as well for good measure.

May as well chop your balls off and hand them over if these people had their way.

Do, they mention mens rights in relation to their children, do they ****!:mad:

Harry Browne

No offence intended, but why does an article on 'how to be a man' have a trans man in his 30's on the panel?

elefant

Still better than websites on being a LAD.

Lt Dan

CdeC wrote: »

You won't know about the gay agenda until it's too late!!!!

But seriously I think it is good to have a discussion on masculinity.
Mens role in society is changing.
Physically demanding jobs are becoming less important and Jam jars are now manufactured to be easy open.

how will men fit in to this new world order?

I suggest we secretly allow women to take all the jobs under a cloud of equality and then we take off on Bikes/yachts/motorcars and travel the world.

You want the world to crash , bruh?

How is taking off on bikes etc any different to being like the work shy social welfare man who sits all day on the couch or sits in the bookies punting 2 euro on a 11/8 favourite?

Lt Dan

Harry Browne wrote: »

No offence intended, but why does an article on 'how to be a man' have a trans man in his 30's on the panel?

Wants his bread buttered both ways.

CdeC

Harry Browne wrote: »

No offence intended, but why does an article on 'how to be a man' have a trans man in his 30's on the panel?

Why not?

It's just that persons opinion.
You could ask your granny what she thinks it takes to be a man. you wouldn't have to agree.

In my opinion and as the article states, that person has thought a lot about being a man as they were born a girl.
probably has more insight than most as they've examined it from every angle.

CdeC

Lt Dan wrote: »

CdeC wrote: »

You won't know about the gay agenda until it's too late!!!!

But seriously I think it is good to have a discussion on masculinity.
Mens role in society is changing.
Physically demanding jobs are becoming less important and Jam jars are now manufactured to be easy open.

how will men fit in to this new world order?

I suggest we secretly allow women to take all the jobs under a cloud of equality and then we take off on Bikes/yachts/motorcars and travel the world.

You want the world to crash , bruh?

How is taking off on bikes etc any different to being like the work shy social welfare man who sits all day on the couch or sits in the bookies punting 2 euro on a 11/8 favourite?

More exercise & fresh air

Lt Dan

CdeC wrote: »

Why not?

It's just that persons opinion.
You could ask your granny what she thinks it takes to be a man. you wouldn't have to agree.

In my opinion and as the article states, that person has thought a lot about being a man as they were born a girl.
probably has more insight than most as they've examined it from every angle.

So a transgender has more incite than a man on how to be a man? Heard it all now.

You can ask your granny, but her opinion would be as useful as a chocolate tea pot

kunst nugget

FA Hayek wrote: »

Taking lessons on how to be a man from Fintan o'****ing Toole is like taking lessons on how be good in the sack by the local parish priest.

It's hardly Fintan saying to be a man, you have to do this, this and this. I have no issue with Mr. O'Toole being interviewed about this issue or feel the need to call him a bitch because of it. The problem I have with it is that it's a very one-sided look at masculinity. The question is asked 'What is the worst male trait' without asking what's the best. And in the round robin, the questions seemed to be about why men like to bate the heads off each other as if that's all we are capable of doing as men. I'd like to have a more rounded, fully realised conversation about men and masculinity today as I do think it is an important topic but from what I've seen so far I'm not going to get it from the Irish Times this week.

Harry Browne

CdeC wrote: »

Why not?

It's just that persons opinion.
You could ask your granny what she thinks it takes to be a man. you wouldn't have to agree.

In my opinion and as the article states, that person has thought a lot about being a man as they were born a girl.
probably has more insight than most as they've examined it from every angle.

Where is the white 30s / 40s straight non-criminal, non-addict representative? Why does a trans man get in the panel when a white 30s / 40s non-criminal, non-addict is not represented?

We have 3 people over 50, the 3 in their 30s are not representative of ordinary 30s / 40s.

CdeC

Lt Dan wrote: »

CdeC wrote: »

Why not?

It's just that persons opinion.
You could ask your granny what she thinks it takes to be a man. you wouldn't have to agree.

In my opinion and as the article states, that person has thought a lot about being a man as they were born a girl.
probably has more insight than most as they've examined it from every angle.

So a transgender has more incite than a man on how to be a man? Heard it all now.

You can ask your granny, but her opinion would be as useful as a chocolate tea pot

No what I mean is that they have thought about it more than most.
If someone has read every book and paper on space and the solar system I'd be still happy to listen to them on the subject even if they're not an astronaut.

Ps: I do believe that trans men are men btw.

I'd be interested to hear what people think makes a man?

Having a dick & balls isn't the answer. (a soldier who stepped on a landmine and had his genitals blown of is still a man)

elefant

Lt Dan wrote: »

So a transgender has more incite than a man on how to be a man? Heard it all now.

You can ask your granny, but her opinion would be as useful as a chocolate tea pot

There's no such thing as 'how to be a man'.

I imagine this would be an effort at portraying that.