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Dairy Chit Chat- Please read Mod note in post #1

Timmaay

24/6/16

Recently we saw three posters close their accounts over disagreements in the dairy threads. While there is a lot of frustration and discontent with current milk prices and the processing industry, the recent tendency for dairy threads to become tit-for-tat arguments isn’t tolerable for those not involved.

All farming sectors go through difficult periods and during such times there may need to be changes in how threads are moderated.

Dairy threads are going to be more closely monitored and subject to stricter moderation for a while.

To that end we won’t tolerate baiting of posters, constantly reviving old arguments, posters with agendas or crusading for a cause.

Whether it’s discussion of the business or politics of the dairy or other sectors, we expect civility and tolerance toward each other and other opinions as diversity of opinion is needed as a source of different ways of looking at a situation.

"The aim of argument, or of discussion, should not be victory, but progress." - Joseph Joubert

Also please be aware that what you may post as light-hearted banter can be read totally differently by someone adversely affected by the subject matter and evoke a reaction you hadn’t intended.

The ‘Off-Season’ forum, and its anonymous posting, is available for anyone to chat about their situation.

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whelan2

Mooooo wrote: »

I only turn em on when hoppers are near empty get 2 or 3 milkings without needing to turn em on hoping it will stretch the lifespan somebit

Have augers in about 30 years. Think they are orby / Alfa laval. Parts cant be got bearing went beside the motor a few months ago. Got parts in kildare after alot of looking . Vmac 20 tonne bin in about ten years. Store minerals in the bottom of it

pedigree 6

I have two of these choretime flexi augers. One coming straight from the bin at fair acute angle from the bin to one side of the feeders and then another with a box from that one to do the other side of parlour. Bought them secondhand 6 years ago and god knows how long they were in the previous parlour. But touchwood never missed a beat.

http://www.choretime.com/FLEX-AUGER-Fill-Systems-1

Edit: the bin is the standard height off the ground 2 or 3 ft? and rises to 11ft (I think) and the hopper is about 10ft from that 11ft rise.

kowtow

pedigree 6 wrote:

Edit: the bin is the standard height off the ground 2 or 3 ft? and rises to 11ft (I think) and the hopper is about 10ft from that 11ft rise.

pedigree 6 wrote:

I have two of these choretime flexi augers. One coming straight from the bin at fair acute angle from the bin to one side of the feeders and then another with a box from that one to do the other side of parlour. Bought them secondhand 6 years ago and god knows how long they were in the previous parlour. But touchwood never missed a beat.

I looked at the spec sheet for those but didn't find a way to join them to steel augurs, might be confusing myself though.

Looking at it if we come out at feeder hopper height the steel auger will come through the parlour wall 10ft above the dairy step, maybe 12ft above the yard level... will be a high old bin if we don't put a flexi on the end of it!

pedigree 6

kowtow wrote: »

I looked at the spec sheet for those but didn't find a way to join them to steel augurs, might be confusing myself though.

Looking at it if we come out at feeder hopper height the steel auger will come through the parlour wall 10ft above the dairy step, maybe 12ft above the yard level... will be a high old bin if we don't put a flexi on the end of it!

Ah you'll have to. You could put a flexi from the bin up the 10 or 12ft and have the flexi motor and box or hopper inside and then your old auger taking out of that box or hopper. But it would be very expensive just buying the flexi auger to do just a short bit. Don't know the price though.

kowtow

pedigree 6 wrote:

Ah you'll have to. You could put a flexi from the bin up the 10 or 12ft and have the flexi motor and box or hopper inside and then your old auger taking out of that box or hopper. But it would be very expensive just buying the flexi auger to do just a short bit. Don't know the price though.

Yeh that's what I was worried about. Irritating particularly when I already have two full sets of augers + motors.

I'm wondering whether there is a way to rig something up with my spare 4" augers... take a single straight run uphill from a bin lower down with a single drop into the hopper of the 6" augur on a bracket outside the parlour wall.

Not sure whether the Size difference would be a problem but probably better small into large than the other way around...

Keepgrowing

GrasstoMilk wrote: »

http://m.independent.ie/business/farming/dairy/the-man-who-milks-america-35023146.html

War chest is the key word in that article.
That needs to be every farmers "must do" when price rises.
Can't be using your contractor or coop as a bank

If you care to check out IGA summer tour from 2014 one of the hosts was saying similar. Figure of €250/cow put away for rainy day.

Buford T. Justice XIX

Keepgrowing wrote: »

If you care to check out IGA summer tour from 2014 one of the hosts was saying similar. Figure of €250/cow put away for rainy day.

That was an interesting farm:)

pedigree 6

Keepgrowing wrote: »

If you care to check out IGA summer tour from 2014 one of the hosts was saying similar. Figure of €250/cow put away for rainy day.

That sounds a bit low. Especially with heading into the unknown future of milk pricing. The higher the better obviously (more of a cushion- a crash barrier to stop you going off the cliff when you're coming down the hill at 120 km

).
I suppose the whole purpose is to take it seriously and take control of your own finances.
For some farmers now though the only option is to go the banks and add further loans on.

jaymla627

pedigree 6 wrote: »

That sounds a bit low. Especially with heading into the unknown future of milk pricing. The higher the better obviously (more of a cushion- a crash barrier to stop you going off the cliff when you're coming down the hill at 120 km ).
I suppose the whole purpose is to take it seriously and take control of your own finances.
For some farmers now though the only option is to go the banks and add further loans on.

Awh sure we are all under - borrowed anyways now, that's the only reason lads are finding it tough, love that new buzz word that the journal/teagasc are using....
Last year it was our competitive advantage to the rest of the world now their telling us to load on debt

GrasstoMilk

jaymla627 wrote: »

Awh sure we are all under - borrowed anyways now, that's the only reason lads are finding it tough, love that new buzz word that the journal/teagasc are using....
Last year it was our competitive advantage to the rest of the world now their telling us to load on debt

Just a question,

Have you a gripe with every organisation out there ?
I don't know you from Adam but you come across as very negative.

Dairying in this country would be the very same as it is in UK without teagasc and IFJ.

Ill admit they have there short comings but I'd much prefer have them than merchants advising us

Johns3650

kowtow wrote: »

Yeh that's what I was worried about. Irritating particularly when I already have two full sets of augers + motors.

I'm wondering whether there is a way to rig something up with my spare 4" augers... take a single straight run uphill from a bin lower down with a single drop into the hopper of the 6" augur on a bracket outside the parlour wall.

Not sure whether the Size difference would be a problem but probably better small into large than the other way around...

We have the old style metal augers here and what we have for changing direction are corners boxs. So you bring ration from the bottom of the bin up at a steep angel and then corner box and then a straight run into and along the tops of the feeders. Powered by one motor at the end of that run. The same then for the other side. Should be a few thrown out with all these new parlours gone in. Try any company doing bin/ in parlour feeders near you for seconds. Worth a shot but they could be like hens teeth

jaymla627

GrasstoMilk wrote: »

Just a question,

Have you a gripe with every organisation out there ?
I don't know you from Adam but you come across as very negative.

Dairying in this country would be the very same as it is in UK without teagasc and IFJ.

Ill admit they have there short comings but I'd much prefer have them than merchants advising us

Have major gripes with organisations that cheerlead that the ole paddy with the cow out at grass has no bother producing milk at 22 cent our less and still turn a profit, and proceed to shove this point down lads throat with some article raving about efficent grass based farmers who are doing this while leaving out a nice chunk of said farmers production costs out....
The funny thing is, say if quotas had went around 2012 and prices had rose like they did, alot of farms might resemble these English units as lads chased yields to bank milk when it was at plus 35 cent, and on the flipside alot of grass based farms might of rapidly expanded too and tagged on some serious debt that would be snowing them under now.....
On a side note had to call into a good eldery neighbour of ours on Sunday morning to interpret his soil tests report from teagasc to show him what needed lime and at what rate cause the lime was coming that Monday but his teagasc advisor hadnt seen the need to return his calls that he had made every day for the previous 10 days....
Just smacked of your typical semi - state body I don't give a f**k attitude that is rife through a nice % of civil servants....

Keepgrowing

jaymla627 wrote: »

Have major gripes with organisations that cheerlead that the ole paddy with the cow out at grass has no bother producing milk at 22 cent our less and still turn a profit, and proceed to shove this point down lads throat with some article raving about efficent grass based farmers who are doing this while leaving out a nice chunk of said farmers production costs out....
The funny thing is, say if quotas had went around 2012 and prices had rose like they did, alot of farms might resemble these English units as lads chased yields to bank milk when it was at plus 35 cent, and on the flipside alot of grass based farms might of rapidly expanded too and tagged on some serious debt that would be snowing them under now.....
On a side note had to call into a good eldery neighbour of ours on Sunday morning to interpret his soil tests report from teagasc to show him what needed lime and at what rate cause the lime was coming that Monday but his teagasc advisor hadnt seen the need to return his calls that he had made every day for the previous 10 days....
Just smacked of your typical semi - state body I don't give a f**k attitude that is rife through a nice % of civil servants....

Timmaay

jaymla627 wrote: »

Have major gripes with organisations that cheerlead that the ole paddy with the cow out at grass has no bother producing milk at 22 cent our less and still turn a profit, and proceed to shove this point down lads throat with some article raving about efficent grass based farmers who are doing this while leaving out a nice chunk of said farmers production costs out....
The funny thing is, say if quotas had went around 2012 and prices had rose like they did, alot of farms might resemble these English units as lads chased yields to bank milk when it was at plus 35 cent, and on the flipside alot of grass based farms might of rapidly expanded too and tagged on some serious debt that would be snowing them under now.....
On a side note had to call into a good eldery neighbour of ours on Sunday morning to interpret his soil tests report from teagasc to show him what needed lime and at what rate cause the lime was coming that Monday but his teagasc advisor hadnt seen the need to return his calls that he had made every day for the previous 10 days....
Just smacked of your typical semi - state body I don't give a f**k attitude that is rife through a nice % of civil servants....

In fairness to the teagasc advisor, he's probably utterly snowed under with with work, the hiring ban really has hit them hard.

Buford T. Justice XIX

jaymla627 wrote: »

Awh sure we are all under - borrowed anyways now, that's the only reason lads are finding it tough, love that new buzz word that the journal/teagasc are using....
Last year it was our competitive advantage to the rest of the world now their telling us to load on debt

I was at a meeting last night organised by IFA and with managers from BOI and AIB and also a local accountant.

They are being held in every county and would be a worthwhile trip if you find cash flow becoming a problem.

Anyway, the main problem that was highlighted was farmers depending too much on cash flows to build extensions/housing/extra animals instead of borrowing some of it and preserving cashflow. Farmers had spent 10s of thousands, from cashflow, to create capital and that chicken was coming home to roost this year with the low milk price.

The point I'm trying to make is that borrowings are fine if used for the right reason such as building up your asset base. Banks are retrospectively funding capital spending by farmers which should have been done from borrowings.

Now, some of the reasons for the dependence on cashflows are banks unwilling to lend but, a lot of the time, it's due to farmers unwillingness to go to the bank to borrow. And I am guilty of that myself at times:(

mf240

The mother spent nearly all day yesterday hanging a couple of gates. Going to have to put her in a home if she slows up anymore.

jaymla627

Buford T. Justice V wrote: »

I was at a meeting last night organised by IFA and with managers from BOI and AIB and also a local accountant.

They are being held in every county and would be a worthwhile trip if you find cash flow becoming a problem.

Anyway, the main problem that was highlighted was farmers depending too much on cash flows to build extensions/housing/extra animals instead of borrowing some of it and preserving cashflow. Farmers had spent 10s of thousands, from cashflow, to create capital and that chicken was coming home to roost this year with the low milk price.

The point I'm trying to make is that borrowings are fine if used for the right reason such as building up your asset base. Banks are retrospectively funding capital spending by farmers which should have been done from borrowings.

Now, some of the reasons for the dependence on cashflows are banks unwilling to lend but, a lot of the time, it's due to farmers unwillingness to go to the bank to borrow. And I am guilty of that myself at times:(

I'm that soldier here, but was laughed out of the branch last spring
When I tried to retrospectively finance quiet sustainal money I'd spent from cashflow.....
As I have no ground to give them the deeds to as I'm working of rented ground I wasn't entertained, current debt levels per cow with said bank are less then 200 euros a cow, now if I'm seen as a bad bet why are boi/aib so keen to help lads out that might be mutiples of my debt levels....
Simple answer is they will have colleteral of said farmers at 60% of real term value so can't lose, farmer defaults they cash in colleteral/farmer works himself night and day to make payments whatever the cost

Buford T. Justice XIX

jaymla627 wrote: »

I'm that soldier here, but was laughed out of the branch last spring
When I tried to retrospectively finance quiet sustainal money I'd spent from cashflow.....
As I have no ground to give them the deeds to as I'm working of rented ground I wasn't entertained, current debt levels per cow with said bank are less then 200 euros a cow, now if I'm seen as a bad bet why are boi/aib so keen to help lads out that might be mutiples of my debt levels....
Simple answer is they will have colleteral of said farmers at 60% of real term value so can't lose, farmer defaults they cash in colleteral/farmer works himself night and day to make payments whatever the cost

Yeah, the banks only concern is getting their money back.

If that loan suits you as well then it's a bonus but it's not the main reason for their lending to you.

I've run the whole gamut of absolute brilliance in managers to utterly incompetent managers and the whole middle ground between the two as well.

Anyway, keep an eye out for the meetings, they may help a few lads in a spot of bother to get help in time.

Mooooo

Have had 3 different business managers and two different branch managers in the last 5 years. Gets annoying at times

Buford T. Justice XIX

Mooooo wrote: »

Have had 3 different business managers and two different branch managers in the last 5 years. Gets annoying at times

I had 3 in one week:D

whelan2

Buford T. Justice V wrote: »

I had 3 in one week:D

Anyone that's good seems to get moved on

[Deleted User]

jaymla627 wrote: »

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I'm that soldier here, but was laughed out of the branch last spring
When I tried to retrospectively finance quiet sustainal money I'd spent from cashflow.....
As I have no ground to give them the deeds to as I'm working of rented ground I wasn't entertained, current debt levels per cow with said bank are less then 200 euros a cow, now if I'm seen as a bad bet why are boi/aib so keen to help lads out that might be mutiples of my debt levels....

I remember speaking to a tenanted dairy farmer a few years ago who had a debt limit of about 450 cow for everything, after that his bank would deem the return from sending cows to the factory as less than break even.

blackdog1

Just got charged 2.85 to post bvd samples...madness. Before it was like 1.35. Screwing farmers again

whelan2

blackdog1 wrote: »

Just got charged 2.85 to post bvd samples...madness. Before it was like 1.35. Screwing farmers again

Was always around 3 euro, its the postage thats around 1.35 .I am assumming its enfer?

blackdog1

whelan2 wrote:

Was always around 3 euro, its the postage thats around 1.35 .I am assumming its enfer?

Yea enfer. The postage is now 2.85. Crazy

whelan2

blackdog1 wrote: »

Yea enfer. The postage is now 2.85. Crazy

no postage is around 1.30

blackdog1

whelan2 wrote:

no postage is around 1.30

Not anymore. An post have changed it. Went into the main office in town because I got a letter from enfer telling me they had to pay to get my samples released and passed on the charge to me....

Buford T. Justice XIX

The end of drought problems in low rainfall areas or just ploughing in nappies to soils?:D

Solid rain.

http://www.odditycentral.com/news/mexican-farmers-fight-drought-with-solid-rain.html

Dawggone

Buford T. Justice V wrote: »

The end of drought problems in low rainfall areas or just ploughing in nappies to soils?:D

Solid rain.

http://www.odditycentral.com/news/mexican-farmers-fight-drought-with-solid-rain.html

Three long months now with a total of 4mm..

Big lightshow now and no rain...
Here's hoping.

Notez bien...I'm not complaining.

Morris Moss

Anybody any advice on high milk urea, my last two tests were 50 and 51, cows are only getting half a kg of meal but going into good grass.