IE 222 wrote: » Regarding the level crossing landsdown and maybe Sydney parade might fit cars only pass under the railway. But some people will loose access to driveways and one or 2 of the side roads would have to loose there access as well. Merrion gates there is space there but it would very steep not sure if the railway could be lowered much with sea level there. The road would need some realignment to and loose some routings. It would also be a eye sore.
end of the road wrote: » would all be for the greater good though. it would benefit more people then those effected i should think.
ClovenHoof wrote: » People have short memories. The Dublin Rail Plan is almost half a century old now and no tunnel of any manner has been built. The people who lobbied for the PPT tunnel to be opened, knew that the Interconnector was never going to happen (in a country that is run by idiots) and quite logically and correctly, wanted current assets sweated to the max to improve commuter options with realistic goals. The PPT opening is still a miracle, as the people who wanted it were caught between CIE managers devoted to property development, and British Trainspotters on the 'mainland' dictating rail transport policy .... [SNIP -- DELETED BY MOD] ...However the PPT is about to become a commuter rail line and improve the quality of commuting for many thousands forever. It's success will only boost the case for further investment in rail. Baby steps. You got a fantastic asset to rail transport in Ireland about to be unleashed with the PPT. It is here so deal with it. The campaigners won because the were right all along and that is that.
Grandeeod wrote: » There is so much truth in that post and a few reopenings of old wounds that some will refuse to recognise or even consider. But we are here now at a point that didn't seem possible a few years ago.
Banjoxed wrote: » Nearly forty years ago CIE had a stand at the Spring Show at the RDS, handing out pasteboard leaflets titled "Towards Rapid Transit". It was a perfectly workable plan but as soon as it looked like coming to fruition, commentators like Hugh Munro and Sean Barrett came out of the woodwork attacking it. Buses were good enough, etc, ad nauseum. Whatever power those guys had, it created institutional paralysis at an official level for years, and the desire to redesign and relaunch variations of bits of it. One decent bit of the original Rapid Transit scheme that can now not come to fruition was the proposed busway from the city centre to Tallaght, with a fully off road section from Mount Argus onwards. It could have been the basis for anything from a busway to a rail corridor in an area of Dublin that now has high car dependency and mainly low density housing as a result. That was squashed under George Redmond and the land sold off for development. The curse of official Ireland is short term thinking hand in glove with quick profit taking. No wonder An Taisce and anyone who wants higher densities with commensurate high quality public transport get excoriated - it slows up the cute hoors making bucks from lashed up development.
Grandeeod wrote: » You are obviously of a similar age to me if you can remember things that accurately and of course you are correct. Not many old foggies on these boards nowadays, so its very hard to explain how things have transpired or even convince the younger generation that this crap runs in cycles and never really changes.
Sam Russell wrote: » There is no space at Sydney Parade to do anything as it is a bus route (47) and the buildings are all very close to the line. A tunnel is not possible and a bridge is not possible either. [Maybe they could try a teleport solution.] Merrion Gates could be done with a tunnel - there is land opposite at Carritas and St May's Nursing home that might allow a road re-alignment. A bridge would be difficult as height would be a problem and interfere with many buildings on the northern side of the gates. There is an old station there that might be a protected structure that might prove a problem. Even if Merrion Gates was solved, then the other four gates would still be a problem. Lansdowne Rd - nothing can be done with the stadium towering over the line. Serpentine Road - again nothing here, Sandymount Station - again no space and Sydney Parade - again no space. With a ten minute Dart and other diesels passing through, the gates could be closed well over 50% of the time. There will be complaints. [At Sydney Parade the gates close 2 minutes before a south bound train and 3 minutes before a north bound train plus its dwell time. Trains currently are scheduled to minimise the closure times at Merrion Gates which does not help the gates at Sydney Parade.]
monument wrote: » I don't see the space issue as being as bad as you do at Sydney Parade, I think it might be difficult but an underpass (even if single lane) should be doable without any destruction of buildings -- next option would be bulldoze the signal cabin and extend the station platform down the other side of the station and/or CPO house southwest of the crossing. There would be some changes in access arrangements to/from houses but I think it could be all doable. But also bus routes can change. Looking at the wider picture: Motoring access may not be achievable or desirable in terms of cost/benefit at ever crossing in the area.
spacetweek wrote: » Indeed I hope that PPT is a game changer, I hope that it's very popular and makes Heuston-bound commuters realise that they should have been dropped off in the centre of town all along instead of being dumped at Heuston where they try to crush their way onto a Luas. This would increase the pressure for DU.
spacetweek wrote: » If that's true, could we not consider just closing some of those roads outright? Surely we can deal with the crossings in D4 with a combination of: railway overpass, road underpass, road closure, as appropriate. Of course the gold plated solution would be to replace that whole section with a tunnel from GC Dock to Booterstown but sure you can only dream.
The double track tunnel is currently limited to one train per direction as the track was slewed into the centre to permit 9’ 6” high containers and work to restore double track working will take place. This will include track lowering as the tunnel is in fact three joined tunnel structures. The middle section near the Dublin Zoo was not below ground level but a roof section was constructed to make it a tunnel.
The middle section near the Dublin Zoo was not below ground level but a roof section was constructed to make it a tunnel.
MGWR wrote: » A tunnel that long would mean no more diesel service south of Greystones. I've always wondered why there was no elevation of the railway through to Booterstown, frankly.
thomond2006 wrote: » Those DART level crossings are particular nightmares on Aviva Stadium match days. They can be down for 10 minutes with no train passing for the majority of that time. It's bizarre.
dowlingm wrote: » As far as Merrion Gates goes, it would be easier to disconnect the road junction and run it seaward of the line and then over it to a 4 way junction at Trimleston Road. Might be some tricky environmental concerns but it eliminates a notorious LC. The thing to keep in mind of course as far as matters south of GCD is the well heeled adjoining residents who have the means to tie IE in legal knots even if the law is against them. Has anything been proposed for the former Cabra Yard on the PPT line?
Sam Russell wrote: » The signal box at Sydney Parade is a protected structure. It serves no useful purpose now. The road crossing is particularly narrow anyway with hardly enough room for a bus to pass. The house on the NW point is quite new (called Station House) and would have to be sacrificed. I cannot see how anything acceptable could be achieved there, even with massive works. I think the locals would rebel (and some locals are well found politically).
IE 222 wrote: » Wouldn't have to take the house. A section of the garden would do. It's a big enough garden as well. It's the house on the south West of the LC would be worse effected. They will loose their driveway at least. Best bet is to give that option or block road access across the rail line.
