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Phoenix Park tunnel: 4 trains per hour from 2016

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1huge1

Thrashssacre wrote: »

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/nta-is-designing-bus-corridors-it-cannot-build-chief-says-1.2776300

Starting in october apparently according to this article

"Ms Graham also revealed trains on the Kildare line would begin using the Phoenix Park Tunnel in October, to bring services to Connolly Station."

Starting next month, should expect more of an official announcement soon.

tabbey

loyatemu wrote: »

there's already a platform there, the little-used platform 10. It's miles from the station though.

"Miles" is rather exaggerated, it is just over a quarter mile from the barrier of platforms 6,7&8. I walked it recently in about 6 minutes, A few years ago, I would have done it in less than five.

There are probably people in Drumcondra or Grand Canal Dock who would like to use the PPT route to access mainline trains at Heuston terminus. Also continuing development around Islandbridge would justify a halt at Platform10.

I understand that the PPT route reopening was a limited budget scheme, so would expect further enhancements in coming years, just like the evolution of the Maynooth line suburban service,which started on a shoestring in 1981, but gradually developed into what we have now.

I expect a stop at Platform 10 will eventually come, possibly with platforms straddling the river, and an entrance from the road opposite the Phoenix Park, facilitating visits to the zoo without having to share a tram with wild animals on the Red line Luas.

LXFlyer

Consultation on the proposed timetable is now live:
http://www.irishrail.ie/news/phoenixparktunnelpublicconsultation

It is now purely a peak hour service only, but good to see that reverse flow connections to Parkwest in the morning and return in the evenings have been retained.

Paddico

loyatemu wrote: »

sheff the ref wrote: »

It would be possible to have a platform and overhead footbridge solution near the River Liffey crossing to enable people to access Heuston station

https://goo.gl/maps/h7UeTed5HVm0

there's already a platform there, the little-used platform 10. It's miles from the station though.

ha ha ... we'll organise a shuttle bus for you Loya

Paddico

Is it me or does anyone else think 35 mins approx to go from Park west to GCD seems very high?

GM228

lxflyer wrote: »

It is now purely a peak hour service only

Initially yes, but to be expanded to an all day 7 day service mid/late 2017.

tabbey

Paddico wrote: »

Is it me or does anyone else think 35 mins approx to go from Park west to GCD seems very high?

17 to 20 minutes between Drumcondra and Parkwest certainly seems excessive, probably a fear of the unknown.
The other sectional timings appear to be standard.

Grandeeod

GM228 wrote: »

Initially yes, but to be expanded to an all day 7 day service mid/late 2017.

That's good news.

LXFlyer

Paddico wrote: »

Is it me or does anyone else think 35 mins approx to go from Park west to GCD seems very high?

Not really - bear in mind that the trains have to fit around the Maynooth, Northern line and DART services as well - they aren't changing to facilitate this.

dowlingm

tabbey wrote: »

17 to 20 minutes between Drumcondra and Parkwest certainly seems excessive, probably a fear of the unknown.

one hopes the Alan Kelly Express, and the destruction it wrought on the Portlaoise-Heuston commuter schedule, is still fresh in the minds of IE planning staff.

flyingsnail

tabbey wrote: »

17 to 20 minutes between Drumcondra and Parkwest certainly seems excessive, probably a fear of the unknown.
The other sectional timings appear to be standard.

Empty transfers get about 15 from glasnevin jct to inchicore so 20 for Drumcondra to Parkwest doesn't seem too bad

Thrashssacre

I wonder why they decided to cut back so much from what was previously on the journey planner a few weeks back especially the couple of late ones i feel like they may have done fairly well

LXFlyer

Thrashssacre wrote: »

I wonder why they decided to cut back so much from what was previously on the journey planner a few weeks back especially the couple of late ones i feel like they may have done fairly well

It would suggest to me a resourcing issue - maybe they don't have enough drivers to deliver that service?

GM228

lxflyer wrote: »

It would suggest to me a resourcing issue - maybe they don't have enough drivers to deliver that service?

You hit the nail on the head.

Thrashssacre

lxflyer wrote: »

It would suggest to me a resourcing issue - maybe they don't have enough drivers to deliver that service?

Hopefully just a temporary issue this service has the potential to really turn the commuter line into something similar to the maynooth line with good timetabling. Being able to get from adamstown/clondalkin/parkwest to the city center in less then 30 minuites will be really competitive with other modes at peak times although clondalkin/fonthill could do with a bus link to the surrounding area

Jamie2k9

08.30 to Portlaoise - Advanced to 08.25
17.20 to Portlaoise - Deferred to 17.25
17.25 to Limerick - Advanced to 17.20
17.55 to Newbridge - Cancelled
18.10 to Portlaoise - Advanced to 18.05
18.55 to Portlaoise - Deferred 19.05

06.05 from Waterford - Advanced to 06.00
07.20 from Portlaoise - Advanced to 07.17
19.15 from Newbridge - Cancelled

tabbey

flyingsnail wrote: »

Empty transfers get about 15 from glasnevin jct to inchicore so 20 for Drumcondra to Parkwest doesn't seem too bad

It is less than 6 miles, half of it on the fastest mainline in the country, the other half recently upgraded for regular passenger use, what is the problem?

flyingsnail

tabbey wrote: »

It is less than 6 miles, half of it on the fastest mainline in the country, the other half recently upgraded for regular passenger use, what is the problem?

Only about 1.5 miles is on fast (albeit probably on the slow line) track from Inchicore to Parkwest, the rest is slow curvy line and will probably run into conflicting movements at Glasnevien and Heuston

LXFlyer

tabbey wrote: »

It is less than 6 miles, half of it on the fastest mainline in the country, the other half recently upgraded for regular passenger use, what is the problem?

I think that you have to bear in mind that these services are being introduced without a complete recast of both Heuston and Connolly timetables. Also, for most of the route they will share track space with other trains.

Until the 10 minute DART timetable on the Connolly side happens and a Heuston recast happens these trains will have to fit in between the existing services and some of the timings will not be as ideal as they may otherwise be.

However, it has to be said that Tara Street to Park West in 27 minutes at peak hour isn't that bad considering the route that they take around the north inner city, a route that does retain permanent speed restrictions.

IrishZeus

Sorry for the potentially simple question but I am struggling to be 100% sure on the below as I genuinely struggle to read these timetables.

Am I correct in saying that there will be the following services from/to Sallins&Nass/Connolly, at peak times:

S&N to Connolly - Departing 6.22 / 7.08 / 7.28 / 9.19
Connolly to S&N - Departing 16.49 / 17.37 / 18.21

We have recently moved to a new house quite close to the S&N station so the above times (if correct) would be great for us as my wife works in Abbey Street.

Thanks for any help - much appreciated.

P.

LXFlyer

IrishZeus wrote: »

Sorry for the potentially simple question but I am struggling to be 100% sure on the below as I genuinely struggle to read these timetables.

Am I correct in saying that there will be the following services from/to Sallins&Nass/Connolly, at peak times:

S&N to Connolly - Departing 6.22 / 7.08 / 7.28 / 9.19
Connolly to S&N - Departing 16.40 / 17.28 / 18.16

We have recently moved to a new house quite close to the S&N station so the above times (if correct) would be great for us as my wife works in Abbey Street.

Thanks for any help - much appreciated.

P.

OK to summarise:

There are direct trains and others that will have a change at Hazelhatch.

SALLINS & NAAS TO CONNOLLY:

Direct trains:
Depart 06:22 Arrive 07:07
Depart 07:08 Arrive 07:50
Depart 07:28 Arrive 08:13
Depart 09:19 Arrive 10:05

Connections at Hazelhatch:
Depart Sallins & Naas 06:30 Arrive Hazelhatch 06:39
Depart Hazelhatch 06:50 Arrive Connolly 07:26

Depart Sallins & Naas 07:53 Arrive Hazelhatch 08:01
Depart Hazelhatch 08:10 Arrive Connolly 08:50

Depart Sallins & Naas 08:19 Arrive Hazelhatch 08:27
Depart Hazelhatch 08:35 Arrive Connolly 09:13

CONNOLLY TO SALLINS & NAAS

Direct trains:
Depart 16:49 Arrive 17:41
Depart 17:37 Arrive 18:24
Depart 18:25 Arrive 19:13

Connections at Hazelhatch:
Depart Connolly 17:09 Arrive Hazelhatch 17:47
Depart Hazelhatch 17:52 Arrive Sallins & Naas 18:03

Depart Connolly 18:07 Arrive Hazelhatch 18:46
Depart Hazelhatch 18:50 Arrive Sallins & Naas 19:01

Depart Connolly 18:49 Arrive Hazelhatch 19:25
Depart Hazelhatch 19:30 Arrive Sallins & Naas 19:39

Depart Connolly 19:22 Arrive Hazelhatch 20:01
Depart Hazelhatch 20:06 Arrive Sallins & Naas 20:15

Some advice for reading the timetables if you find it difficult

1) Print the relevant pages off

2) Put a sheet of paper across the timetable under the station that you wish to travel to

3) Read across for the times of trains stopping at your destination

4) Read upwards for in the individual columns to find departure times from your local station

5) If the train starts after your local station, look in the column immediately to the left for any trains that start at your station and stop at one of the stations served by the train serving your destination.

Reading timetables should not be difficult - in fact I've often felt that it should be a mandatory element of the school curriculum.

IrishZeus

lxflyer wrote: »

OK to summarise:

There are direct trains and others that will have a change at Hazelhatch.

SALLINS & NAAS TO CONNOLLY:

Direct trains:
Depart 06:22 Arrive 07:07
Depart 07:08 Arrive 07:50
Depart 07:28 Arrive 08:13
Depart 09:19 Arrive 10:05

Connections at Hazelhatch:
Depart Sallins & Naas 06:30 Arrive Hazelhatch 06:39
Depart Hazelhatch 06:50 Arrive Connolly 07:26

Depart Sallins & Naas 07:53 Arrive Hazelhatch 08:01
Depart Hazelhatch 08:10 Arrive Connolly 08:50

Depart Sallins & Naas 08:19 Arrive Hazelhatch 08:27
Depart Hazelhatch 08:35 Arrive Connolly 09:13

CONNOLLY TO SALLINS & NAAS

Direct trains:
Depart 16:49 Arrive 17:41
Depart 17:37 Arrive 18:24
Depart 18:25 Arrive 19:13

Connections at Hazelhatch:
Depart Connolly 17:09 Arrive Hazelhatch 17:47
Depart Hazelhatch 17:52 Arrive Sallins & Naas 18:03

Depart Connolly 18:07 Arrive Hazelhatch 18:46
Depart Hazelhatch 18:50 Arrive Sallins & Naas 19:01

Depart Connolly 18:49 Arrive Hazelhatch 19:25
Depart Hazelhatch 19:30 Arrive Sallins & Naas 19:39

Depart Connolly 19:22 Arrive Hazelhatch 20:01
Depart Hazelhatch 20:06 Arrive Sallins & Naas 20:15

Advice for reading the timetables:

1) Print the relevant pages off

2) Put a sheet of paper across the timetable under the station that you wish to travel to

3) Read across for the times of trains stopping at your destination

4) Read upwards for in the individual columns to find departure times from your local station

Reading timetables should not be difficult - in fact it should be mandatory to learn how to do it in school

I appreciate the response and thanks for it.

Don't appreciate being made to feel like an idiot for struggling to read a timetable.

LXFlyer

IrishZeus wrote: »

I appreciate the response and thanks for it.

Don't appreciate being made to feel like an idiot for struggling to read a timetable.

I wasn't trying to insult you in any way, rather give you some advice on how to read them - that was the wording that used to be printed on Irish Rail timetables on how to read them.

Printing them off is always the best start.

My final line was a general one - many people do have a problem reading them and it is something our education system should address.

IrishZeus

lxflyer wrote: »

I wasn't trying to insult you in any way, rather give you some advice on how to read them - that was the wording that used to be printed on Irish Rail timetables on how to read them.

Printing them off is always the best start.

My final line was a general one - many people do have a problem reading them and it is something our education system should address.

Ok - thanks for clarifying. Don't know what it is with timetables but have always struggled to make sense of them. Appreciate the responses

Paddico

tabbey wrote: »

flyingsnail wrote: »

Empty transfers get about 15 from glasnevin jct to inchicore so 20 for Drumcondra to Parkwest doesn't seem too bad

It is less than 6 miles, half of it on the fastest mainline in the country, the other half recently upgraded for regular passenger use, what is the problem?

I guessing the trains are diesel too making it a slower service.

Del.Monte

lxflyer wrote: »

I wasn't trying to insult you in any way, rather give you some advice on how to read them - that was the wording that used to be printed on Irish Rail timetables on how to read them.

Printing them off is always the best start.

My final line was a general one - many people do have a problem reading them and it is something our education system should address.

Will you go away with yourself. You would need to be a rocket scientist to use CIE timetables or their prehistoric websites.

ClovenHoof

lxflyer wrote: »

My final line was a general one - many people do have a problem reading them and it is something our education system should address.

Jesus Wept...

[Deleted User]

There is an option on the irishrail website to generate and email yourself a customised timetable, I've used it and it works.

AppleBottle

Deleted User wrote: »

There is an option on the irishrail website to generate and email yourself a customised timetable, I've used it and it works.

Can you link me to this? Many thanks:)

Vic_08

Del.Monte wrote: »

Will you go away with yourself. You would need to be a rocket scientist to use CIE timetables or their prehistoric websites.

The "Everything CIE does is the worst ever" mantra, how original for this board. :rolleyes:

http://www.irishrail.ie/media/01b_dublin-cork_full_service-280915.pdf

Please explain what about this timetable is difficult to read or understand and point to a better example from an operator that you approve of.