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Phoenix Park tunnel: 4 trains per hour from 2016

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dowlingm

tabbey wrote: »

17 to 20 minutes between Drumcondra and Parkwest certainly seems excessive, probably a fear of the unknown.

one hopes the Alan Kelly Express, and the destruction it wrought on the Portlaoise-Heuston commuter schedule, is still fresh in the minds of IE planning staff.

LXFlyer

Paddico wrote: »

Is it me or does anyone else think 35 mins approx to go from Park west to GCD seems very high?

Not really - bear in mind that the trains have to fit around the Maynooth, Northern line and DART services as well - they aren't changing to facilitate this.

Grandeeod

GM228 wrote: »

Initially yes, but to be expanded to an all day 7 day service mid/late 2017.

That's good news.

tabbey

Paddico wrote: »

Is it me or does anyone else think 35 mins approx to go from Park west to GCD seems very high?

17 to 20 minutes between Drumcondra and Parkwest certainly seems excessive, probably a fear of the unknown.
The other sectional timings appear to be standard.

GM228

lxflyer wrote: »

It is now purely a peak hour service only

Initially yes, but to be expanded to an all day 7 day service mid/late 2017.

Paddico

Is it me or does anyone else think 35 mins approx to go from Park west to GCD seems very high?

Paddico

loyatemu wrote: »

sheff the ref wrote: »

It would be possible to have a platform and overhead footbridge solution near the River Liffey crossing to enable people to access Heuston station

https://goo.gl/maps/h7UeTed5HVm0

there's already a platform there, the little-used platform 10. It's miles from the station though.

ha ha ... we'll organise a shuttle bus for you Loya

LXFlyer

Consultation on the proposed timetable is now live:
http://www.irishrail.ie/news/phoenixparktunnelpublicconsultation

It is now purely a peak hour service only, but good to see that reverse flow connections to Parkwest in the morning and return in the evenings have been retained.

tabbey

loyatemu wrote: »

there's already a platform there, the little-used platform 10. It's miles from the station though.

"Miles" is rather exaggerated, it is just over a quarter mile from the barrier of platforms 6,7&8. I walked it recently in about 6 minutes, A few years ago, I would have done it in less than five.

There are probably people in Drumcondra or Grand Canal Dock who would like to use the PPT route to access mainline trains at Heuston terminus. Also continuing development around Islandbridge would justify a halt at Platform10.

I understand that the PPT route reopening was a limited budget scheme, so would expect further enhancements in coming years, just like the evolution of the Maynooth line suburban service,which started on a shoestring in 1981, but gradually developed into what we have now.

I expect a stop at Platform 10 will eventually come, possibly with platforms straddling the river, and an entrance from the road opposite the Phoenix Park, facilitating visits to the zoo without having to share a tram with wild animals on the Red line Luas.

1huge1

Thrashssacre wrote: »

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/nta-is-designing-bus-corridors-it-cannot-build-chief-says-1.2776300

Starting in october apparently according to this article

"Ms Graham also revealed trains on the Kildare line would begin using the Phoenix Park Tunnel in October, to bring services to Connolly Station."

Starting next month, should expect more of an official announcement soon.

sheff the ref

loyatemu wrote: »

there's already a platform there, the little-used platform 10. It's miles from the station though.

A tunnel with a flat escalator system like they have in the airports would solve that problem

Thrashssacre

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/nta-is-designing-bus-corridors-it-cannot-build-chief-says-1.2776300

Starting in october apparently according to this article

"Ms Graham also revealed trains on the Kildare line would begin using the Phoenix Park Tunnel in October, to bring services to Connolly Station."

loyatemu

sheff the ref wrote: »

It would be possible to have a platform and overhead footbridge solution near the River Liffey crossing to enable people to access Heuston station

https://goo.gl/maps/h7UeTed5HVm0

there's already a platform there, the little-used platform 10. It's miles from the station though.

sheff the ref

Deleted User wrote: »

Correct, the track layout makes it impossible for a train to stop at Heuston and then continue on to Connolly.

It would be possible to have a platform and overhead footbridge solution near the River Liffey crossing to enable people to access Heuston station

https://goo.gl/maps/h7UeTed5HVm0

Jamie2k9

spacetweek wrote: »

Why's that?

Just acceleration/deceleration purposes Park West would be more suitable. Now there is no massive difference but Park West overall would be a better transfer point in my view and a lot more attractive to people traveling from other parts of Dublin via PPT and onto IC services.

spacetweek

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

If it was to happen then Park West would be the best stop to ensure minimal IC time loss, Hazelhatch would lose far more.

Why's that?

Jamie2k9

If it was to happen then Park West would be the best stop to ensure minimal IC time loss, Hazelhatch would lose far more.

LXFlyer

tubbs26 wrote: »

Is it ever envisaged that intercity services bound for Heuston would stop at Hazelhatch to allow connections to the PPT trains?

It would seem like a good idea to me but I'm not sure how feasible it is.

Not at the moment.

Reducing stops on Intercity trains is key to improving overall journey times.

However, it was clear that at peak times there will be connections to/from stations west of Newbridge using existing services.

end of the road

tubbs26 wrote: »

Is it ever envisaged that intercity services bound for Heuston would stop at Hazelhatch to allow connections to the PPT trains?

It would seem like a good idea to me but I'm not sure how feasible it is.

i don't think so no . they're really would be no point when portlaoise, portarlington, kildare and newbridge are suitable interchanges, as they are currently the interchanges for anyone needing the suburban stops within the dublin area.

tubbs26

Is it ever envisaged that intercity services bound for Heuston would stop at Hazelhatch to allow connections to the PPT trains?

It would seem like a good idea to me but I'm not sure how feasible it is.

Vic_08

kc56 wrote: »

The draft timetable includes a long 2 hour gap from 0710 to 0910 without a direct service from the two busiest, by far, stations - Sallins and Newbridge.

Perhaps this draft was seeing what could work within the constraints of the current timetable?

If those 2 services ran to Newbridge to turn around there would be a very large gap after the 08.22 GCD arrival, to fill it would require an extra train set.

Turning them short allows one more pre-9am city centre arrival and another pre-9.30.

LXFlyer

kc56 wrote: »

The draft timetable includes a long 2 hour gap from 0710 to 0910 without a direct service from the two busiest, by far, stations - Sallins and Newbridge.

Perhaps this draft was seeing what could work within the constraints of the current timetable?

I imagine that's exactly it.

Bear in mind that turning at Hazelhatch means more trains overall. People can from Newbridge and Sallins can change en route to a PPT train and vice versa.

kc56

The draft timetable includes a long 2 hour gap from 0710 to 0910 without a direct service from the two busiest, by far, stations - Sallins and Newbridge.

Perhaps this draft was seeing what could work within the constraints of the current timetable?

LXFlyer

I would imagine that this will be incorporated into the annual fare review that takes place at the end of October each year.

Genghis

I wonder how Irish Rail will facilitate Annual Commuter tickets purchased for travel to Heuston be upgraded fit travel to GCD.

I recently renewed my annual ticket, there was no option beyond Heuston.

Jamie2k9

daheff wrote: »

They usually change early december (or historically I have seen this). I was just thought as people could already see a timetable that a timetable was already decided!

Last Heuston timetable change was in January 2013, current website loaded up to end of October so one would expect any week between October/December but Cork works not finished until November. Not really analysed the above schedule and if it could fit around the current schedules on Heuston side, expect Connolly wouldn't be a big issue.

Edit - Took a look and it does appear to fit around current Heuston services so it may well start and be adjusted when the new Heuston schedule finally happens.

daheff

lxflyer wrote: »

Later in the year - that question keeps being asked here.

There is no precise date yet.

They usually change early december (or historically I have seen this). I was just thought as people could already see a timetable that a timetable was already decided!

cowboyjoe

With the best regards, my point was that this thread is about the reopening of the PPT, which is a positive step for most of us. Perhaps, if you want to discuss IE and rail network faults (of which I totally agree there are many) why not create a new thread and highlight issues there.

end of the road wrote: »

no, no they won't give it a rest. they are absolutely right to hi-light issues with their rail service and so they should, considering they are paying for it as well. it's the mentality of trying to shut down others who complain that is the reason services aren't as good as they could be, because people don't bother complaining as they get no where so end up with something less then they deserve.

end of the road

cowboyjoe wrote: »

Regarding other lines being left out, please give it a rest.

no, no they won't give it a rest. they are absolutely right to hi-light issues with their rail service and so they should, considering they are paying for it as well. it's the mentality of trying to shut down others who complain that is the reason services aren't as good as they could be, because people don't bother complaining as they get no where so end up with something less then they deserve.

LXFlyer

Infini2 wrote: »

10min timetable is dead for the forseeable future drivers wont agree to it at all in the current climate.

Look it will happen eventually.

I'm not making any comment on the ins and outs of the dispute - just pointing out the issue with trying to produce a clockface timetable.

Any chance we could keep the dispute out of this discussion? It has its own thread.