Grayson wrote: » Sure we do.
Donald Trump wrote: » Look stop twisting things. I said "childless".
Grayson wrote: » She didn't have a child. She was pregnant but hadn't given birth.
applehunter wrote: » one for the legal egales. I Presume a custodial sentence.
applehunter wrote: » I'll speak for the unborn child. "I would prefer to live than be killed."
nozzferrahhtoo wrote: » Not sure what anthropomorphizing the fetus and presuming to know it's mind does for the discussion myself.
AbusesToilets wrote: » Abortion isn't some brutal, traumatic experience. It's a normal out patient medical procedure, little different from getting a tooth pulled.
DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: » I don't think they do tbh. I don't think that anybody out there embraces the reality of what an abortion is. It's a horrendous experience for any woman to go through. It's something that they will have to live for the rest of their lives. Life is not black and white, sometimes women might need that choice to terminate the child they're carrying. Don't forget that they're could a father suffering for it too. Be very careful before you judge a couple who decide on an abortion
gandalf wrote: » Knowing the Anti-choice brigade they probably want the Magdalene laundries reopened and the women interned there for their "sins".
rjpf1980 wrote: » The country would have to build vast prisons to hold all these people plus employ thousands of wardens and armed guards and soldiers to stop mass escapes.
rjpf1980 wrote: » No woman could be trusted so any pregnant woman would probably have to be detained until they give birth and watched 24/7 to prevent them from self harming? And if they were caught planning an abortion they would have to be thrown in prison for attempted murder right?
Depp wrote: » very strangely framed op suggesting that all pro life people are this, all pro life people are that. I'd identify as pro life to an extent, if bearing the child for the full term is a danger to the mother I believe aborting the foetus should be allowed but unrestricted abortions shouldn't be allowed. A childs life is not something to be thrown quite literally in a bin just because its inconvenient. Don't think the mother should be punished, going through the experience of an abortion and everything that goes with it is bad enough. Any doctor however who performs the procedure other than in the interest of saving the mothers life, should be struck from the register and punished severely. I understand there are some hardliners no denying it but most level headed pro-life people I have come into contact with have similar views on the topic, to suggest most pro-lifers want the mother punished and some want her executed is incredibly disingenuous
osarusan wrote: » Any chance you could give this shyte a rest?
rjpf1980 wrote: » So the doctors nurses adminstrators secretarial staff at the abortion clinic and maybe the medical waste disposal staff who carry away the "dead babies" should get life or in certain jurisdiction the death penalty right?
rjpf1980 wrote: » The woman who has an unwanted pregnancy after a drunken one night stand or has a fling with her neighbor or work colleague behind her husband's back or decides to have a termination because she has three kids and can't t cope with a fourth etc etc should NOT get life or a possible death sentence? What she did was "murder" right? That's what you believe right? So surely logic would tell you there should be the same punishment ad any other murder right?
rjpf1980 wrote: » Thankfully abortion is legal in England and other jurisdictions and women have the freedom to travel.
AbusesToilets wrote: » I always am struck by the contrast in those who decry abortion and argue so passionately for the right to life for a fetus, yet couldn't give a toss for the child (and mother) after birth. Abortion isn't some brutal, traumatic experience. It's a normal out patient medical procedure, little different from getting a tooth pulled.
lawlolawl wrote: » What mind? It doesn't have one at that stage.
Depp wrote: » where did i say this? the doctor should have his license revoked and he should be punished, also we dont have capital punishment here so theres that... an abortion is not a back up form of contraception and shouldn't be under any circumstances. Whatever way you look at it an abortion is the ending of a human life and that shouldn't be done cause you or your partner failed to use correct contraception. We as humans are not perfect and make many mistakes in our lives, we have to live with these mistakes its part of life. Those are your views and I respect that, I agree women should have freedom to travel I just don't want it happening here with my tax money helping to fund it.
Decent Skin wrote: » Certainly not completely, but it can't be a scenario where only the rich can avail of it either, because if unplanned/unwanted kids are all in poorer families then things will get worse. Acknowledging that many money-rich families are poorer in real terms of what really matters, but still.
rjpf1980 wrote: » If you believe abortion is murder then the logic follows that the doctor goes goes down for murder plus anyone else involved as an accomplice? If I were in a relationship with a woman and we have an unwanted pregnancy and we planned to have an abortion if we intercepted before we went through with it we would guilty of attempted murder wouldn't we? If we followed through on our plan we would be murderers wouldn't we? Accordingly it wouldn't be a mistake - it would be a crime and indeed a capital crime in many jurisdictions if abortion everywhere in the world was considered equivalent with murder. If you really believed abortion was murder surely you would want women to be prohibited from travelling for abortions and you would trying to have laws passed that would punish anyone involved in aborting Irish babies to be arrested and punished on Irish soil? The logical inconsistencies of your beliefs are so obvious. You want abortion to be prohibited but there should be no punishment?
rjpf1980 wrote: » In an ideal world without legal abortion is this what pro-life people envision?
Rainman16 wrote: » What socially liberal people often forget to consider is the financial cost of making an expensive medical procedure, a 'right' of the people. A big factor in my vote on the 8th amendment will be how they plan to pay for it.
Depp wrote: » You seem to be obsessed with putting words into my mouth. I've clearly stated my views twice now and you keep harping on about accomplices and other jurisdictions and things I never mentioned. I never said the doctor should be labelled a murderer, I said he should be punished for performing a practice illegally, I'd be more inclined for the charge to come down the serious malpractice route personally. I think women should be allowed travel because my views are my views, and unlike some people don't go about forcing them down the throats of others. The reason I don't want it practiced here is I don't want my tax money or my health insurance premiums funding something I don't agree with morally. Its not logical inconsistencies its not being a 'know-it-all-my-way-is-best' d!ck about things.
osarusan wrote: » Let's not pretend that camps that detain pregnant women until they give birth is anything other than a figment of your imagination.
