rjpf1980 wrote: » I should have written proportionally. Proportional to their numbers on the road more of them die or are injured.
rjpf1980 wrote: » The 22 motorcyclists who died were not protected by air bags or seat belts or body work designed to crumple or any other safety feature which saves hundreds of lives every year. Their bodies were fully exposed to injury or dismemberment.
K.Flyer wrote: » Thats just your opinion, not a statistic.
K.Flyer wrote: » So how many of those deaths are a direct fault of other road users.
rjpf1980 wrote: » You will concede that if a motorcyclist hits a pole or a wall or another vehicle he/she has much less survivability than a driver inside a car or van or truck. This is because you are fully exposed when sitting on a bike. You fall from a bike going at high speed you will be badly hurt or killed.
Ianasauras wrote: » Its very simple. As a car driver all you need to do is: 1. Use your indicators 2. Maintain Road position 3. Check your mirrors when changing lanes. 4. Avoid distractions like phones, earphones shouting into the back seat etc. You have a responsibility to make sure that you don't cause an incident. Car drivers cause far more incidents with motorcyclists than the other way around (at least in my 10 years biking experience). As for motorcyclists. Yes, in many cases we probably should slow down and be less aggresive in passing. But most motorcyclists are safe drivers. Years of dealing with ignorant, aggresive and incompetent car drivers makes it difficult to not treat all car drivers the same and as though they're trying to kill you. But if car drivers could follow the 4 points above, you dont need to worry. We can all get along on the road. Even the cyclists
freshpopcorn wrote: » No, they shouldn't be banned. I'd however like to see a law that banned them from weaving in between queuing traffic in order for them to skip the que!
rjpf1980 wrote: » Thoughts?
rjpf1980 wrote: » Alcohol and drugs are too ubiquitous to be banned. The sale and consumption would conducted secretly. Obviously you cannot conceal a motorcycle since you must be licenced and insured and you would be visible on the road. If motorcycles were banned it would be relatively easy to prohibit their use.
rjpf1980 wrote: It is easier to see a car van or truck which is why there are less collisions of this type at junctions. You can see a vehicle approaching from much far away. This is not true of motorbikes.
Slanty wrote: My argument is simple, I would class myself as a safe driver, yet in most of my close calls its being because the lack of visual I have of a bike.
Slanty wrote: I glance in my mirror, see nothing, go to pull out and take another quick glance then suddenly there's a bike right up my inside who came up fast through the middle row of cars.
rjpf1980 wrote: » Motorcyclists die disproportionally to their numbers on the road. They die because of the design of motorcycles which afford no protection to a rider in the event of a crash. Ban these unsafe vehicles and automatically a significant minority of roads are eliminated. Anecdotal stories are not useful.
Hughsie75 wrote: » According to the RSA Road Death Statistics for 2015: - 22 Motorcyclists were killed - 14 of those were involving another vehicle - 76 Car drivers were killed How many of these were caused by another vehicle?? Now, who do you reckon needs more education when it comes to Roadcraft?
KwackerJack wrote: » Ban cyclists........ever see a motorbike run red lights at a busy junction?? Ever see 20 motorbikes riding side by side blocking the entire road. You need a license for a motorbike yet the Lycra bandits hit the road with nothing but a chip on their shoulder and 'I'm right' ego Is the OP a cyclist or a failed biker who couldn't hold a moped up right or just annoyed a biker gets thru traffic quicker
rjpf1980 wrote: » There are numerous ads on TV asking us to be careful about motorcyclists. I've had enough of this nonsense. Motorcyclists are the most reckless and dangerous road users. In cities and towns and on motorways and rural roads they speed and weave through traffic and are a hazard to themselves other drivers and pedestrians. Disproportionately motorcyclists die or are victims of accidents. The reason is obvious. The motorcycle if it were invented today would not be allowed on the road. There is no protection for a driver whatsoever even at low speeds or legal speeds. A helmet or padded jacket or jumpsuit is rather flimsy when it comes in contact to the road or a collision with another vehicle. I have relatives who work with the emergency services and the stories they have told me would horrify. Motorcyclists literally get dismembered in high speed accidents. Cars and other vehicles with the introduction of crumple zones protective structures within the car body and frontal and side air bags and of course seat belts have made crashes much more survivable. There is literally no way to make lethal motorcycles safer. Ban them and ban them now. If people want to commit suicide that's fine. But motorcyclists endanger themselves and society. Thoughts?
rjpf1980 wrote: » I'm not talking about road craft as such although motorcycles by their sheer design encourage recklessness such as weaving through traffic. I'm talking about the very nature of motorcycles a two wheel machine with the rider straddling the fuel tank with flimsy protection like helmet and pads during collision or contact with the road which can dismember a rider. If motorbikes were off the road tomorrow straight away there would be a significant reduction in road deaths. The survivability of riding a motorcycle in a road traffic accident are significantly less than all other road users
rjpf1980 wrote: » Did you read the OP? I think I have clearly stated why. I said if a motorbike was invented today it would not be allowed on the road. I think I have already explained the danger of motorcycles compared to other vehicles. A number of posters on this thread have simply resorted to abuse rather than present an argument. Very telling.
bladespin wrote: » That's not safe driving.
rjpf1980 wrote: » The survivability of riding a motorcycle in a road traffic accident are significantly less than all other road users
Slanty wrote: » So looking in my mirrors TWICE is classed as unsafe yet driving up the white stripe in the middle of the road which is to divide two lanes is safe?? Baffling
rjpf1980 wrote: » You fall from a bike going at high speed you will be badly hurt or killed.
tu2j2 wrote: I've fallen off a bike at speed and suffered no injuries what so ever. Helmet jacket and pants ruined though.
bladespin wrote: » Yup. By your own words you 'glance' in your mirror, simply not good enough, baffling it is.
