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Smondie

An Posts refusal to use eircodes smacks of union nonsense. The same union doesn't seem to be bothered if the post office opens 10minutes late!

Hopefully a private company will take take over the union dismantled.

What other instances of unions cutting off thier nose to spite thier faces can you think of?

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sbsquarepants

cursai wrote: »

What union do AIB have?

Credit union I think, they're stone broke.:D

On the eircodes thing - we spent god knows how many millions setting up this system, that unions are apparently now refusing to use, no doubt a pay out is required for all the extra reading poor old postie has to do (no surprise there I suppose) when we could have just used googles system for free. They have mapped the entire globe and given every square (10m squared blocks I think) a unique 3 word code - it's imaginatively called what 3 words and it's free (I think) Postie could put the 3 words into his phone and google maps (also free) will bring him right to your door regardless of whether you live in Dublin city or up a mountain in Mayo, or in a cave in Azerbaijan.
Free - that's the magic word I believe.

not yet

Smondie wrote: »

An Posts refusal to use eircodes smacks of union nonsense. The same union doesn't seem to be bothered if the post office opens 10minutes late!

Hopefully a private company will take take over the union dismantled.

What other instances of unions cutting off thier nose to spite thier faces can you think of?

Yes, your spot fcuking on old chap, let them eat cake...

Sorry, did someone mention a wall by any chance..?

[Deleted User]

This anti-union/anti-leftwing nonsense roars ignorance of everything (including fundamental shifts in capitalism and inequality right now) and immaturity.

Without the unions, your children would still be going into coal mines and you'd still be paid in tokens that you could only use to buy stale, obscenely priced products in your scumbag capitalist factory owner's shop. And you may dream on about fire regulations or any protections in work or to conditions of employment.

It's the rise of the labour movement - a movement whose members were beaten, starved and murdered in their opposition to the coalition of right-wing business people and slaveen politicians (a special Hello to John Bruton's heroes, the Home Rule party politicians who owned half the slums of Dublin at the start of the 20th century and were best pals in the 1913 Lockout with William Murder Murphy and the DMP) - which brought all the great social advances of the 20th century, from free healthcare to free education to social housing.

It is no coincidence that now that these things have been achieved people have decided they're not paying for union membership, unions are weaker, rightwingers are resurgent and society is more unequal than at any time since 1930. Good old Ireland, for example, will give low taxes to ultra rich foreign corporations, but screw Irish kids by reintroducing education fees. And this, we are told by the establishment media, is "progress" and "a necessary reform". In 2016, this pattern of "rob the poor to feed the rich" is screaming at anybody who'll listen. The penny is dropping very, very, very slowly on the significance of the current rise of the right (since the 1970s, but intensifying in recent years), the concentration of far more of the world's wealth in far fewer hands, and the extraordinary growth in generational inequality largely brought on by the removal of the state from providing social housing and facilitating house building. (it is, for instance, exceedingly unlikely that somebody born into a nice area in south-east Dublin will ever be able to afford to live in a similar house there, no matter how much more education they have than their parents)

This society owes its greatest debts to James Connolly, Jim Larkin, Liam Mellows, Peadar O'Donnell, Jim Gralton, Noel Browne and the other brave souls who stood against the repressive rightwing power of West Brit politicians/Castle Catholics and the RCC. It's not so long ago since the latter in the form of the Fine Gael-led Dublin City Council, refused to give Nelson Mandela the freedom of Dublin city as he was a "terrorist".

Christy Moore's finest son, James Connolly (Prosperous, 1972), dedicated to the great Woody Guthrie:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1tWwjWFmh8

AlanG

Many, possibly most, post offices are private businesses and the opening hours are set by the post master / mistress who does not work for An Post.
Unions have messed up several things
- CIE drivers refused to work Christmas day one year without massive payouts so we no longer have a bus service over Christmas as the company wer only dying for an excuse to stop running on a day when they had to pay double or treble time and had few customers.
- Unions destroyed Team Arelingus / service air and let it shut down so the older guys could get a big payout and the newbies who did most of the work had to go on the dole.

On the other hand the lack of security, pay and opportunities for the likes of Uber drivers and hassle cleaners has shown how the lack of worker power can be exploited by big companies which end up taking almost all the benefits of labour. Unions have a role but unfortunately many are lead by people who have no interest in the betterment of the worker.

Smondie

[Deleted User] wrote: »

This anti-union/anti-leftwing nonsense roars ignorance of everything (including fundamental shifts in capitalism and inequality right now) and immaturity.

Without the unions, your children would still be going into coal mines and you'd still be paid in tokens that you could only use to buy stale, obscenely priced products in your scumbag capitalist factory owner's shop.

It's the rise of the labour movement - a movement whose members were beaten, starved and murdered in their opposition to the coalition of right-wing business people and slaveen politicians (a special Hello to John Bruton's heroes, the Home Rule party politicians who owned half the slums of Dublin at the start of the 20th century and were best pals in the 1913 Lockout with William Murder Murphy and the DMP) - which brought all the great social advances of the 20th century, from free healthcare to free education to social housing.

It is no coincidence that now that these things have been achieved people have decided they're not paying for union membership, unions are weaker, rightwingers are resurgent and society is more unequal than at any time since 1930. Good old Ireland, for example, will give low taxes to ultra rich foreign corporations, but screw Irish kids by reintroducing education fees. And this, we are told by the establishment media, is "progress" and "a necessary reform". In 2016, this pattern of "rob the poor to feed the rich" is screaming at anybody who'll listen. The penny is dropping very, very, very slowly on the significance of the current rise of the right (since the 1970s, but intensifying in recent years), the concentration of far more of the world's wealth in far fewer hands, and the extraordinary growth in generational inequality largely brought on by the removal of the state from providing social housing and facilitating house building. (it is, for instance, exceedingly unlikely that somebody born into a nice area in south-east Dublin will ever be able to afford to live in a similar house there, no matter how much more education they have than their parents)

This society owes its greatest debts to James Connolly, Jim Larkin, Liam Mellows, Peadar O'Donnell, Jim Gralton, Noel Browne and the other brave souls who stood against the repressive rightwing power of West Brit politicians/Castle Catholics and the RCC. It's not so long ago since the latter in the form of the Fine Gael-led Dublin City Council, refused to give Nelson Mandela the freedom of Dublin city as he was a "terrorist".

Christy Moore's finest son, James Connolly (Prosperous, 1972), dedicated to the great Woody Guthrie:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1tWwjWFmh8

Haha,yes of course.

Chips Lovell

Unions: The people who brought you the weekend.

westcoast66

MeatTwoVeg wrote: »

The post office nearest my work closes from 12.30 to 2pm.
WTF! The precise times that most people are free to pop down and use their services.

I used to work in a business park where the post was delivered at 7:30am. This would not work for us as mostly it was parcels and there was nobody there at that time to sign for them. I went down to the sorting office to explain the situation and was met with blank stares. There was no way they were changing their route, even though the post could never be delivered!

smash

Hager wrote: »

Is it fact because you say so? Care to show us all the evidence to prove your statement?

It's a fact because it's as clear as day. Irish Rail want to add another carriage to increase productivity and make the commuter's life easier? F*ck no! The guy pushing the lever needs to go on strike and demand more money because it's clearly an extra burden on him... We want to give our kids better education? F*ck no! The teachers strike because they need to up-skill... This is the kind of shít that happens every god damn month in Ireland. They upset the lives and businesses of hundreds of thousands every year!

Your Face

Onions?!
Leave my onions alone.

Ted111

The next time you get post and they give you the handheld
draw a cock instead of your signature. Let their union deal with that

bodice ripper

cursai wrote: »

What union do AIB have?

I believe it is with satan.

sbsquarepants

Unions, like a lot of organisations in this country (and others too it has to be said) have very noble intentions and done some fantastic things in their early days but they then largely became corrupt and self serving.
Many if not all of the private sector unions these days are little more than corporate gangsters, extorting fees from members in return for permission to work in a certain industry, the public sector shower have an even cushier number knowing that weak governments will give in to outrageous demands that even the most stupid private business owner simply couldn't meet because it would just bankrupt the business, no one seems to care about bankrupting the state!

A Little Pony

Usually full of communists. So I don't join any of them.

Jawgap

a union scholarship helped pay for my first masters degree......so generally I'm biased towards having them despite having long given up my membership of one.

Unions are generally pretty boring and there are loads of things they do in terms of member welfare, retired member outreach etc that are very mundane and operate under the radar, but are of singular importance.

That said, some union members and officers are, frankly, knobheads - and some members are dense enough to allow themselves to be used and led by officers and shop stewards looking to push agendas completely unrelated to improving worker conditions - that doesn't mean unions are bad, just that they allow stupid people to occasionally join and achieve a modicum of authority - just like any other organisation.

Frankly, I'd rather put up with the occasional bonkers union campaign than have IBEC operate without any counterweight!

As for Eircode - a ridiculous idea that no one wanted or needed (except the consultants who set it up) - useless.

opinionated3

So basically what some posters are saying is that factory workers like myself should just roll over and accept any old crap that management throw at us? ?

Smondie

opinionated3 wrote: »

So basically what some posters are saying is that factory workers like myself should just roll over and accept any old crap that management throw at us? ?

Negotiate individual terms based on your value to the company, mad idea, I know!

Smondie

Jawgap wrote: »

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As for Eircode - a ridiculous idea that no one wanted or needed (except the consultants who set it up) - useless.

The words of a Townie :pac:

Emergency Services find them useful

not yet

Jep Gambardella wrote: »

Unions: The people who brought you the weekend.

And IBEC, the boys that took it back again...

Oh, and the same boys who whinged about the 10c and hour rise in the minimum wage.

Jawgap

Smondie wrote: »

The words of a Townie :pac:

Emergency Services find them useful

Do they?

The system completely lacks any intuitive basis so when you hand an Eircode over in an adrenalin driven emergency situation the operator has no immediate way to determine if the information you are providing is internally consistent......or so my neighbour the paramedic tells me......

I think you mean that the politically appointed head of the national ambulance service is muted in his criticism of the system

I'm sure you won't mind if I take the word of a [unionised] practitioner with current experience of answering calls over the word of a desk jockey

Smondie

Jawgap wrote: »

Do they?

The system completely lacks any intuitive basis so when you hand an Eircode over in an adrenalin driven emergency situation the operator has no immediate way to determine if the information you are providing is internally consistent......or so my neighbour the paramedic tells me......

I think you mean that the politically appointed head of the national ambulance service is muted in his criticism of the system

I'm sure you won't mind if I take the word of a [unionised] practitioner with current experience of answering calls over the word of a desk jockey

Can they not just Google the eircode?

I can give my address as townland, town, county. Just like the postman, They ain't going to find me!

Private couriers same problem, with an eircode, no problems so far. Apart from an post who refused to acknowledge it.

Ronald Wilson Reagan

Auto Union made some nice cars.

Jawgap

Smondie wrote: »

Can they not just Google the eircode?

I can give my address as townland, town, county. Just like the postman, They ain't going to find me!

Private couriers same problem, with an eircode, no problems so far. Apart from an post who refused to acknowledge it.

Seriously, how would that work.....

"MY GOD!!! MY HUSBAND IS HAVING A HEART ATTACK"

"WHAT'S YOUR ADDRESS AND EIRCODE"

"I DON'T HAVE MY EIRCODE"

"CAN YOU GOOGLE IT?"

makes you wonder how ambulances found us before Eircode.......plus I just did a quick experiment and transposed two digits in the second part of the Eircode for my address (the Unique Identifier) - I put the '6' where '7' should be and the '7' where the '6' should be - the result was an address 25km away in a different county.

A simple postcode would've been better.......unless you were the consultants;)

Smondie

Jawgap wrote: »

Seriously, how would that work.....

"MY GOD!!! MY HUSBAND IS HAVING A HEART ATTACK"

"WHAT'S YOUR ADDRESS AND EIRCODE"

"I DON'T HAVE MY EIRCODE"

"CAN YOU GOOGLE IT?"

makes you wonder how ambulances found us before Eircode.......plus I just did a quick experiment and transposed two digits in the second part of the Eircode for my address (the Unique Identifier) - I put the '6' where '7' should be and the '7' where the '6' should be - the result was an address 25km away in a different county.

A simple postcode would've been better.......unless you were the consultants;)

A simple eircode would have been better, I agree whole heartedly.

I mean the emergency services to look it up, not the patient. If I ring and say my house, my street, g8t l0vr. They should be able to pin point my house

Ambulances etc were often sent on wild goosechases before eircodes. For example http://www.newstalk.com/Baby-dies--ambulance-goes-to-the-wrong-address

Ted111

Smondie wrote: »

Negotiate individual terms based on your value to the company, mad idea, I know!

That's it. Put them on 24 hour contracts.
Have a labour bid outside the factory every morning.
Whoever works for the least that day can work. They have to let the manager take a piss on them before they go in the door though.

opinionated3

Smondie wrote: »

Negotiate individual terms based on your value to the company, mad idea, I know!

And how do you propose to get the employer to negotiate when they just want to railroad some new terms and conditions in? ? Not sure where or in what type of industry you're employed but where i am it's pretty much bullyboy tactics ( or would have been if not for our union). How do you propose the employees in the factory across the road from us handle their situation?

Smondie

Ted111 wrote: »

That's it. Put them on 24 hour contracts.
Have a labour bid outside the factory every morning.
Whoever works for the least that day can work. They have to let the manager take a piss on them before they go in the door though.

Yes all non union environments work exactly like this. The manager of my local shop hadn't enough piss to cover the staff in this morning.

Brainwashed much?

Jawgap

Smondie wrote: »

A simple eircode would have been better, I agree whole heartedly.

I mean the emergency services to look it up, not the patient. If I ring and say my house, my street, g8t l0vr. They should be able to pin point my house

Ambulances etc were often sent on wild goosechases before eircodes.

Maybe you get us the Eircode of that new location you've shifted the goal posts to

If you have house and street why do you need Eircode? Is there likely to be more than 1 address exactly the same in the area ECAS routes the call to???

Originally you said the justification lay in the need for unique addresses in rural locations.....

Smondie wrote: »

Can they not just Google the eircode?

I can give my address as townland, town, county. Just like the postman, They ain't going to find me!

Private couriers same problem, with an eircode, no problems so far. Apart from an post who refused to acknowledge it.

Again, makes you wonder how we got our post, our Amazon packages, ambulances and Gardai before Eircode?

Again, it was a good idea poorly executed.

EDIT: From the Examiner "However, one senior fire officer said: “As it is, Eircode is worse than useless. We were expecting that the postcodes would be incorporated into satnav systems to make our jobs easier but it appears to be a right waste altogether.”"

EagererBeaver

Great article in the Guardian yesterday about Secret Employee of a Union in the UK.

Anyone linking Union action like that mentione by the OP, or the LUAS drivers' dispute for example, with the ideals of Connolly et al needs a serious shot of reality.

Smondie

Jawgap wrote: »

Maybe you get us the Eircode of that new location you've shifted the goal posts to

If you have house and street why do you need Eircode? Is there likely to be more than 1 address exactly the same in the area ECAS routes the call to???

Originally you said the justification lay in the need for unique addresses in rural locations.....

Again, makes you wonder how we got our post, our Amazon packages, ambulances and Gardai before Eircode?

Again, it was a good idea poorly executed.

Yes, it's the name of the townland covers i'm guessing, 100kmsq. There are loads of houses with the exact same address.

Post was and still is done on local knowledge, not eircodes.

Amazon etc. Until more recently, Mostly came through an post. Couriers now will work off eircodes.

Ambulances and Gardai, were regularly sent astray, I have given one eample. The Gardai used local knowledge, with the clousure of garda stations this is no longer the case.

Why so determined to be stuck in the past?

Dyr

Smondie wrote: »

An Posts refusal to use eircodes smacks of union nonsense. The same union doesn't seem to be bothered if the post office opens 10minutes late!

Hopefully a private company will take take over the union dismantled.

What other instances of unions cutting off thier nose to spite thier faces can you think of?

Weekends off, the bastards