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Random Wrasslin' thoughts.....

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So this is a thread for your musings which do not deserve an entire thread of its own.

For example

I just watched Card Subject To Change. Horrific to think that since its been made the following has happened -

Kamala has become an amputee

Sensational Sherrie, Paul Bearer and Trent Acid are dead

Had Kevin Sullivan and Nancy stayed together one of Wrestlings darkest moments would be completely different or never would have happened.

Lacey Von Erich almost became a diva. She is also crazy hot. Pure nom.

I also mused that even while Sherri was a dispicable heel while she was on tv she may well have been my first celeb crush.

All this in one lazy evening.

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gerrybbadd

Riddle101 wrote: »

Just thinking about Umaga today. I think had so much potential to be a top main eventer eventually. He also had pretty solid booking and was protected. WWE today could take note of the way they booked Umaga and apply it to someone like Rusev. Unfortunately his demons just proved too much for him I guess.

Also his WWE Championship match against John Cena at Royal Rumble 2007 was really good.

I really thought he was the best big man WWE had since Vader. I knew when they fed him to Cena, he'd become an Every Big Man Ever. Said the same about Rusev, and that's exactly what happened.

Riddle101

Just thinking about Umaga today. I think had so much potential to be a top main eventer eventually. He also had pretty solid booking and was protected. WWE today could take note of the way they booked Umaga and apply it to someone like Rusev. Unfortunately his demons just proved too much for him I guess.

Also his WWE Championship match against John Cena at Royal Rumble 2007 was really good.

Scavenger XIII

CastorTroy wrote: »

So Smackdown has all the nicest ones?

I've never understood that, I just swoop in like a vulture and pig out on all the delicious bounties.

CastorTroy

Adiboo wrote: »

My fiancee and I were talking about Raw and Smackdown, and she compared the Smackdown roster to the end of a box of Celebrations with just a load of Bounty's left over.

So Smackdown has all the nicest ones?

leggo

Nerdkiller1991 wrote: »

Did you say you liked...the Nickelback one?

I know, it's Nickelback, but the song itself it catchy as fook and that plus the video got me hyped for Raw whenever it came on. Job done. I hate the slower ones like Across the Nation and the last one, it just reminds me how late I'm up watching it! But that's just me it's so subjective.

Angron

My favourite Raw theme is either the Papa Roach one, or the one from around 2002-06.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHYUdZOJ5jw

Adiboo

My fiancee and I were talking about Raw and Smackdown, and she compared the Smackdown roster to the end of a box of Celebrations with just a load of Bounty's left over.

Lithium93_

For best RAW themes, I'd go like this, in order of preference..

RAW 1998
Shinedown - Enemies
Papa Roach - To Be Loved
Jim Johnston's Tonight's The Night
Nickleback - Burn It To The Ground

Nerdkiller1991

leggo wrote: »

Probably the best Raw theme ever IMO. That, then the 1998 one, then Nickelback for me.

Did you say you liked...the Nickelback one?

latest?cb=20070619165229

leggo

martyos121 wrote: »

Have to say, I love Raw's new theme. Reminds me a bit of the Papa Roach one they had around '06. First show theme I've liked in a long time from WWE.

Probably the best Raw theme ever IMO. That, then the 1998 one, then Nickelback for me.

Riddle101

PTH2009 wrote: »

2/3 years ago no way would I think most of tnas biggest stars wud be part of the WWE roster. James Storm u really messed up lol

In James Storm's defense WWE offered him a low-ball offer whereas TNA offered him more money. I think at the end of the day, he made a personal choice for his family. I respect his choice to stay with TNA.

martyos121

Have to say, I love Raw's new theme. Reminds me a bit of the Papa Roach one they had around '06. First show theme I've liked in a long time from WWE.

PTH2009

As much as I love booby roodes theme song in nxt, I think it won't work on the main roster unless it's heavy edited. Still it's could be a while before he makes his debut on the main roster

Samoa Joe will get called up after the rumble 2017 I think maybe Aries too (Aries would make a good SmackDown guy)

2/3 years ago no way would I think most of tnas biggest stars wud be part of the WWE roster. James Storm u really messed up lol

DM_7

All red should win the title, Becky eventually wins it off her and that is when Asuka should be called up.

CSF

johnnyryan89 wrote: »

Have they said when the new Women's champion will be crowned? If it's at SS and I'd say Asuka could be dropping the belt at Takeover to Bayley and that she could make an appearance at SS and win the belt.

They haven't even said for certain there will be one, or if they have I missed it. I agree with what leggo said though, all well and good having a women's division on Smackdown and pushing Becky, but if the plan isn't to push the likes of Bayley and Asuka that way, then it's eventually gonna be relegated to Superstars level matches.

johnnyryan89

CSF wrote: »

I don't think there is anyone for her to beat for it though. You've got Natalya only really who she's just done a less than inspiring feud with. The Eva Marie story someone mentioned above probably is the best one in terms of making the title something that's not going to be just a Smackdown pissbreak. Then once that's done, and Eva Marie is relegated to looking insanely hot, that's when the others can become more relevant, but I feel Becky still needs some establishing as a worthwhile upper card face. Since Mania they've really pissed about with her and hurt her relevance.

Have they said when the new Women's champion will be crowned? If it's at SS and I'd say Asuka could be dropping the belt at Takeover to Bayley and that she could make an appearance at SS and win the belt.

leggo

Yeah that's true, but they're stuck with what they've got unless Bayley gets called up to SmackDown. On the show I do, just today I offered a scenario where you bring Bayley up to SmackDown to pad out that division, then at the Royal Rumble hold a 15-woman cross-brand Royal Rumble match with the same rules for WrestleMania as the men. Bayley can use that to jump to Raw and challenge Sasha for Mania, with the division a bit more established and Asuka possibly on the way up. It's a pipe dream, I know, but it's one way of doing it.

CSF

leggo wrote: »

To be fair, I'm not sure what I want myself but you could easily put together a good storyline for Becky to be the first champ. Put together vignettes and have her do interviews/promos with her talking about coming so close to the NXT and Raw Women's Title and just falling short and how now is her time to do something historic etc.

I don't think there is anyone for her to beat for it though. You've got Natalya only really who she's just done a less than inspiring feud with. The Eva Marie story someone mentioned above probably is the best one in terms of making the title something that's not going to be just a Smackdown pissbreak. Then once that's done, and Eva Marie is relegated to looking insanely hot, that's when the others can become more relevant, but I feel Becky still needs some establishing as a worthwhile upper card face. Since Mania they've really pissed about with her and hurt her relevance.

Ageyev

gerrybbadd wrote: »

Bret Hart's 20 year WWF contract, if honoured, would soon be expiring. It was signed in 1996.

Never understood why he didn't sue. Vince had the money as they increased the In Your House PPV price which helped turn things around and Mike Tyson sure didn't work the next year's Wrestlemania angle for free.

Only 2 reasons I can think are that Bret's a mark for his ego and "legacy" he liked and likes to speak of and/or he wanted the most amount of money fast. Guess it's all moot as he got money from WCW, his Llyods settlement and then a WWE payout for Wrestlemania as well as DVD money.

leggo

To be fair, I'm not sure what I want myself but you could easily put together a good storyline for Becky to be the first champ. Put together vignettes and have her do interviews/promos with her talking about coming so close to the NXT and Raw Women's Title and just falling short and how now is her time to do something historic etc.

sky88

CSF wrote: »

All of that is true, problem is, the Becky title win won't be half as exciting/memorable if there's no chase. If they just go have her become the first Smackdown women's champion, they've done her a disservice and deprived her of the sort of decent story she deserves.

Exactly look at when bayley finally won the nxt title the place went nuts and it was due to her being so close so many times in the chase that it was perfect when she won it.

CSF

Riddle101 wrote: »

I'm kind've done with heels holding the women's championship now. For nearly two years, a heel has held the Diva's Championship. First with Paige(Heel) who lost to the title to AJ Lee(Face), then Nikki(Heel) won title and held it for almost a year, then Charlotte woman(Face/Heel) who has held it for a long time too. I know Sasha holds the title now, but I'm just not interested in seeing the same old routine, with the heel champion constantly cheating to win and robbing Becky of winning the title.

Besides, Becky has worked hard enough to warrant a title win, and to become the new women's champion on Smackdown. She's gotten herself over with the fans and is popular. She can at least make the women's division on Smackdown credible,can't really do it with Eva.

All of that is true, problem is, the Becky title win won't be half as exciting/memorable if there's no chase. If they just go have her become the first Smackdown women's champion, they've done her a disservice and deprived her of the sort of decent story she deserves.

Riddle101

sky88 wrote: »

I really hope they give the new woman's title on smackdown if there is one to Eva Marie. Shes such heat magnet and would make Becky eventually win better if eva just keeps cheating and pulling out of matches like on smackdown it could be great.

I'm kind've done with heels holding the women's championship now. For nearly two years, a heel has held the Diva's Championship. First with Paige(Heel) who lost to the title to AJ Lee(Face), then Nikki(Heel) won title and held it for almost a year, then Charlotte woman(Face/Heel) who has held it for a long time too. I know Sasha holds the title now, but I'm just not interested in seeing the same old routine, with the heel champion constantly cheating to win and robbing Becky of winning the title.

Besides, Becky has worked hard enough to warrant a title win, and to become the new women's champion on Smackdown. She's gotten herself over with the fans and is popular. She can at least make the women's division on Smackdown credible,can't really do it with Eva.

sky88

I really hope they give the new woman's title on smackdown if there is one to Eva Marie. Shes such heat magnet and would make Becky eventually win better if eva just keeps cheating and pulling out of matches like on smackdown it could be great.

gerrybbadd

Bret Hart's 20 year WWF contract, if honoured, would soon be expiring. It was signed in 1996.

leggo

Remember his feud with Mysterio shortly afterwards though? It got ridiculous when they brought Dominic into it, but the feud happened just by the two of them going out every week on SmackDown and having classic matches. Even the Dominic ladder match was a classic that got you way more excited than the stipulation should have.

If I remember correctly, I heard he was quite depressed after his title run didn't spike business and took it way hard on himself.

[Deleted User]

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

I've been rewatching a few Eddie Guerrero matches from 2004 and 2005 recently on the Network.

He looks so bloated in his physique and cumbersome in his ringwork. The saddest thing is the very noticeable acne on his back, a tell tale sign of steroid abuse.

Guerrero was one greatest workers of all time and it was sad to see him all blown up and not able to flow like he once did.

He looked utterly miserable in his match with Benoit at One Night Stand in 2005. Not in a heels gonna heel way but just looked tired and wrecked.

DEFTLEFTHAND

I've been rewatching a few Eddie Guerrero matches from 2004 and 2005 recently on the Network.

He looks so bloated in his physique and cumbersome in his ringwork. The saddest thing is the very noticeable acne on his back, a tell tale sign of steroid abuse.

Guerrero was one greatest workers of all time and it was sad to see him all blown up and not able to flow like he once did.

ERG89

Reebrock wrote: »

What's ludicrous about a massive, jacked bloke acting as muscle? His age? Who gives a turd. If he were cast in that role, he would pull it off. He would be the Breaking Bad Mike, of the WWE. Just younger.

Mike was a private investigator & more like Winston Wolf from Pulp Fiction than Nash trying to relieve the past. He could act & his character with depth something not seen in wrestling.

Riddle101

Loughc wrote: »

No because Nash wouldn't be able to take a back seat. He'll start off as an enforcer then will push for an angle where him and Ziggler start feuding and for some unknown reason it would end with Nash going over killing Ziggler's momentum.

Punk how you doin'?

I don't think that would happen. Nash doesn't seem to be interested in making himself look good like he used to anymore. I fully believe that if ever an angle ever did occur between Nash and Ziggler, that Ziggler would go over in that feud. Nash seems genuinely big on Ziggler and I could see him doing Ziggler a solid and putting him over. That of course is if WWE is willing to give Ziggler a proper push. The only problem I see is if Nash could even wrestle since he's so prone to injury in his old age.