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Treating people with mental health issues

Andy From Sligo

Ok - you cannot lock Mentally ill people away like the old days .... but also we cannot go on with some mentally ill people being to a danger to the public by knifing them or shooting them or whatever else they might be capable of .

What are people views / ideas on what can be done to safeguard the public - better than what is being done at the moment? - bar cutting down the long waiting list for people to get medical psychiatric help - what more can be done until these people get the help they need , what is not being done at the moment?

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Andy From Sligo

tomwaterford wrote: »

If at any stage anyone anywhere presents to a mental health clinic saying there getting voices in their head......

AFAIK they are seen more or less straight away.....you worries are somewhat unfounded

You seem to have not heard of stories of people doing something whilst they are on a long waiting list waiting to see a psychiatrist or counsellor then because of cutbacks and not enough trained people (well here in Ireland at least)

Haha - people really go to a doctor and admit they hear voices in their head saying cause harm to yourself or others ? off their own backs ....really?

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Been watching Suicide Swquad, have we, Andy...?

Surreptitious

Andy From Sligo wrote: »

you just carry on assuming ....

I'm quoting you. You're making sweeping statements about terrorism and mental illness even going so far as saying, oh you can't lock people up anymore like the old days.

Pro Hoc Vice

Andy From Sligo wrote: »

at what level do they have to be for that to happen? ... and do they have to be reported first?

Yes, or AGS or local medical professionals may get involved. The Mental Health Act 2001 as amended deals with involuntary admission.

8.—(1) A person may be involuntarily admitted to an approved centre pursuant to an application under section 9 or 12 and detained there on the grounds that he or she is suffering from a mental disorder.

Mental Disorder is defined at section 3

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/2001/act/25/section/3/enacted/en/html#sec3

Water John

There is a very specific protocol for committing some one in this country.
This country has a constitution.
A lot of people have mental issues of various levels. Very few evolve into a situation of danger to others. And then it tends to be family members.
By far the biggest risk is self harm. don't seem to think that is OP's concern.
Not sure of the value or purpose of the thread.

Andy From Sligo

Surreptitious wrote: »

You made a statement as fact about mental illness which you possibly couldn't know without some kind of first hand knowledge or education on the subject.

you just carry on assuming ....

Andy From Sligo

I have been getting that knee-jerk reaction lately when that UK MP was killed and the Russell Square thing the other night, and the Underground station thing that they were all terrorist acts on behalf of ISIS ... and then it turns out they all have/had mental issues and attacked random strangers.

TSMGUY

I'd say your average man from Sligo is more dangerous than a mentally ill person:pac:

Surreptitious

Andy From Sligo wrote: »

Do I have to be? - do I have to have medical training to have a view?

You made a statement as fact about mental illness which you possibly couldn't know without some kind of first hand knowledge or education on the subject.

tomwaterford

Andy From Sligo wrote: »

I dont really know - thats why I was looking to others views.

I know that when/if people start getting 'voices in their head' telling them to do something that it can be so powerful that some people simply cannot switch those voices off and it takes over. Its not as easy as that

If at any stage anyone anywhere presents to a mental health clinic saying there getting voices in their head......

AFAIK they are seen more or less straight away.....you worries are somewhat unfounded

Andy From Sligo

Surreptitious wrote: »

Where did you receive your medical training to ascertain this?

Do I have to be? - do I have to have medical training to have a view?

Andy From Sligo

Pro Hoc Vice wrote: »

In Ireland and I assume most countries a person who because of mental health issues is a danger to themselves or others can be detained.

at what level do they have to be for that to happen? ... and do they have to be reported first?

Surreptitious

Andy From Sligo wrote: »

I dont really know - thats why I was looking to others views.

I know that when/if people start getting 'voices in their head' telling them to do something that it can be so powerful that some people simply cannot switch those voices off and it takes over. Its not as easy as that

Where did you receive your medical training to ascertain this?

Ted111

Institutionalising people isn't a problem of itself.
But doing and just doping people up, as is the practice, is not good.
Comprehensive and higher quality treatment in wards/instituitions.

Arghus

This thread will be fairly mad in the head.

Andy From Sligo

corner of hells wrote: »

What do you think yourself , Andy ?

I dont really know - thats why I was looking to others views.

I know that when/if people start getting 'voices in their head' telling them to do something that it can be so powerful that some people simply cannot switch those voices off and it takes over. Its not as easy as that

Pro Hoc Vice

Andy From Sligo wrote: »

Ok - you cannot lock Mentally ill people away like the old days .... but also we cannot go on with some mentally ill people being to a danger to the public by knifing them or shooting them or whatever else they might be capable of .

What are people views / ideas on what can be done to safeguard the public - better than what is being done at the moment? - bar cutting down the long waiting list for people to get medical psychiatric help - what more can be done until these people get the help they need , what is not being done at the moment?

In Ireland and I assume most countries a person who because of mental health issues is a danger to themselves or others can be detained.

corner of hells

Andy From Sligo wrote: »

Ok - you cannot lock Mentally ill people away like the old days .... but also we cannot go on with some mentally ill people being to a danger to the public by knifing them or shooting them or whatever else they might be capable of .

What are people views / ideas on what can be done to safeguard the public - better than what is being done at the moment? - bar cutting down the long waiting list for people to get medical psychiatric help - what more can be done until these people get the help they need , what is not being done at the moment?

What do you think yourself , Andy ?

StringerBell

Billions of people in the world have mental issues, be it believing in a man in the sky or that the walls talk to them.

Surreptitious

Oh this isn't a half misinformed thread at all.

mohawk

I think you will find having mental health issues does not equal danger to society. There are thousands living with Mental Health Issues in this country and I think you should think carefully before posting on this kind of topic.
Very few people with Mental Health issues are a danger to others so you can rest easy.

Andy From Sligo

it could be argued that even some Terrorists have some kind of Mental issues also going on ....

pudzey101

the CRAZY thing is that majority of stabbings and shootings arnt done by mentally ill people at all .