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Random Wrasslin' thoughts.....

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So this is a thread for your musings which do not deserve an entire thread of its own.

For example

I just watched Card Subject To Change. Horrific to think that since its been made the following has happened -

Kamala has become an amputee

Sensational Sherrie, Paul Bearer and Trent Acid are dead

Had Kevin Sullivan and Nancy stayed together one of Wrestlings darkest moments would be completely different or never would have happened.

Lacey Von Erich almost became a diva. She is also crazy hot. Pure nom.

I also mused that even while Sherri was a dispicable heel while she was on tv she may well have been my first celeb crush.

All this in one lazy evening.

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Reebrock

ERG89 wrote: »

Loughc wrote: »

No because Nash wouldn't be able to take a back seat. He'll start off as an enforcer then will push for an angle where him and Ziggler start feuding and for some unknown reason it would end with Nash going over killing Ziggler's momentum.

Punk how you doin'?

Missing everything but feigning an injury to avoid jobbing or tearing his quad. Not to mention how ludicrous it would be to see him as muscle when he is 57.

What's ludicrous about a massive, jacked bloke acting as muscle? His age? Who gives a turd. If he were cast in that role, he would pull it off. He would be the Breaking Bad Mike, of the WWE. Just younger.

Neil3030

Shame they are on different brands because The Club could be nice heaters for Ziggler.

J. Marston

Anyone hear Bobby Roode's new theme? It's.....GLORIOUS!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7oMBq1vkCM

ERG89

Loughc wrote: »

No because Nash wouldn't be able to take a back seat. He'll start off as an enforcer then will push for an angle where him and Ziggler start feuding and for some unknown reason it would end with Nash going over killing Ziggler's momentum.

Punk how you doin'?

Missing everything but feigning an injury to avoid jobbing or tearing his quad. Not to mention how ludicrous it would be to see him as muscle when he is 57.

Loughc

Riddle101 wrote: »

Kevin Nash is high on Ziggler apparently, he's said himself that he would love to return and work with Ziggler as an enforcer or something, probably something similar to HBK and Diesel. I wonder if that would work?

No because Nash wouldn't be able to take a back seat. He'll start off as an enforcer then will push for an angle where him and Ziggler start feuding and for some unknown reason it would end with Nash going over killing Ziggler's momentum.

Punk how you doin'?

Riddle101

Kevin Nash is high on Ziggler apparently, he's said himself that he would love to return and work with Ziggler as an enforcer or something, probably something similar to HBK and Diesel. I wonder if that would work?

CSF

Neil3030 wrote: »

What do you think a heel Ziggler would look like? It's a bit of a catch 22 because the whole reason he should be turning heel is to overcome his shortcomings and underachievement until now. So logically his character should completely depart from everything it is now, maybe they could go down a Right-To-Censor / Straight-Edge Society route with him, or maybe even have him join the Wyatts?

I think what will happen is Ambrose will beat him at Summerslam, showing a ruthless streak that we kayfabe haven't seen associated with Ziggler, the whole match of the night but can't get the job done angle they were bigging up on Smackdown. This will drive Ziggler off the rails and we'll see a new heel ruthless streak from him. I mean an obvious problem with it is a lack of mid-card faces for him to go through on the way there.

Pentecost

A Brad Maddox Guy wrote: »

Becky was sent to SmackDown because they weren't putting the title on her and they needed somebody that's actually popular to be on SmackDown. Nobody cares about Natalya and most of the others are new so somebody already established was needed.

This. Meltzer reported this week that Becky got herself added to the WM match because she got properly over, the original plan was Sasha v Charlotte. Becky is well thought of by all accounts.

Neil3030

CSF wrote: »

The Ziggler feud works because of how they're booking it. It's not just all of a sudden Ziggler is a top guy, now accept him as such, which was kind of how they booked Ambrose becoming champion.

Instead they're going with a proper story. Acknowledging that he hasn't really done anything worthwhile and making that part of the story as he tried to make himself notable. They did similar with Bryan with him trying to prove he wasn't the weak link, except instead of Bryan's rags to riches rise to the WWE title win at Wrestlemania, I think this one ends with Ziggler becoming an upper card heel.

What do you think a heel Ziggler would look like? It's a bit of a catch 22 because the whole reason he should be turning heel is to overcome his shortcomings and underachievement until now. So logically his character should completely depart from everything it is now, maybe they could go down a Right-To-Censor / Straight-Edge Society route with him, or maybe even have him join the Wyatts?

CSF

The Ziggler feud works because of how they're booking it. It's not just all of a sudden Ziggler is a top guy, now accept him as such, which was kind of how they booked Ambrose becoming champion.

Instead they're going with a proper story. Acknowledging that he hasn't really done anything worthwhile and making that part of the story as he tried to make himself notable. They did similar with Bryan with him trying to prove he wasn't the weak link, except instead of Bryan's rags to riches rise to the WWE title win at Wrestlemania, I think this one ends with Ziggler becoming an upper card heel.

Neil3030

SureYWouldntYa wrote: »

Look at Ziggler now, a love triangle last year and mostly losing a feud to Baron Corbin only weeks ago, now challenging for the title

Similar to AJ Styles losing to Y2J at Mania only to become number 1 contender the next night

It's like they're getting all the air out of a balloon before deciding to pump it up again

Dolph is certainly benefitting hugely from the split, and he really seemed to be getting a reaction from the fans last week in his promo with Ambrose. Maybe Ambrose goes on to win at SS and Dolph turns heel, taking stock of what Ambrose was saying to him?

PS, in hindsight I didn't mind Y2J beating AJ at mania, because Y2J then had legitimacy going into a two month programme to help build Ambrose. They also gave AJ the win the following night to go immediately into the heavyweight champ scene. AJ is now one of (if not the) top heels, fueding with the #1 babyface, Ambrose is champ and Jericho is still an absolute diamond heel. So pretty much everyone (eventually) came out of it well, medium term.

sky88

A Brad Maddox Guy wrote: »

Becky was sent to SmackDown because they weren't putting the title on her and they needed somebody that's actually popular to be on SmackDown. Nobody cares about Natalya and most of the others are new so somebody already established was needed.

This they need a face for smackdown woman who is popular and she is the most popular at the minute besides Sasha.

and with them wanting bayley to stay on nxt shes the logical choice.

A Brad Maddox Guy

Becky was sent to SmackDown because they weren't putting the title on her and they needed somebody that's actually popular to be on SmackDown. Nobody cares about Natalya and most of the others are new so somebody already established was needed.

Agent Coulson

I wonder was as Becky sent to Smackdown in the draft because she was getting herself over without the WWE pushing her and she was getting in the way of the Charlotte & Sasha backed push.

Any wrestler that seems to get themselves over without the big WWE push always seems to get punished in some way.

jaykhunter

Ha! The Mania booking was ridiculous non-continuity, it was like a stand-alone special that had no bearing on what comes next! Are people getting behind Ziggler? He's been smashed in the ground so many times. He became Dolph in 2008 and doesn't feel like he's been a 2x WHC!

I remember Jericho saying the loss & win on RAW was part of a bigger story, don't worry about it. And then people stopped caring and he didn't have to dodge that question any more

SureYWouldntYa

jaykhunter wrote: »

This is an endemic problem with WWE, that they have a ton of midcard acts and very few stars, everyone seems to lose to each other and nobody gets over. Unless you're mega over, WWE have a mindset to 'break you' before rebuilding you, if they ever get around to it.

Look at Ziggler now, a love triangle last year and mostly losing a feud to Baron Corbin only weeks ago, now challenging for the title

Similar to AJ Styles losing to Y2J at Mania only to become number 1 contender the next night

It's like they're getting all the air out of a balloon before deciding to pump it up again

Itssoeasy

ricero wrote: »

Ryback pic

The words wellness volition spring to mind looking at that picture.

CSF

ricero wrote: »

Ryback pic

Oh we all know who that man really is. He's not a good guy....

jaykhunter

Neil3030 wrote: »

Random question - reports all suggest Gotch got in a barney backstage with Sin Cara, and it was also Gotch who botched the throw that led to Enzo's head injury. So I get why the Vaudevillains have been jobbing of late. But why is it always English who eats the pin? On that point, if they do keep the Vaudevillains as jobbers they are criminally underusing who could be a great heel in English.

This is an endemic problem with WWE, that they have a ton of midcard acts and very few stars, everyone seems to lose to each other and nobody gets over. Unless you're mega over, WWE have a mindset to 'break you' before rebuilding you, if they ever get around to it.

ricero

I like braun strowman as the unstoppable monster but there is only one man that can come back and stop him....

Ryback_look.0.0.jpg

Neil3030

Random question - reports all suggest Gotch got in a barney backstage with Sin Cara, and it was also Gotch who botched the throw that led to Enzo's head injury. So I get why the Vaudevillains have been jobbing of late. But why is it always English who eats the pin? On that point, if they do keep the Vaudevillains as jobbers they are criminally underusing who could be a great heel in English.

IncognitoMan

cian68 wrote: »

After this week's Raw, Smackdown NXT and Cruiserweight Classic I'm very high on WWE. For all my watching other companies WWE is what I'm most excited about now (I'm a little caught up in the moment)

Since Battleground I've really enjoyed wwe. Far more than I have in the last couple of years. I really hope the standard can at the very least be kept up and hopefully improved upon.

Smackdown needs a bit of work still and I don't like the way they film their shows but that's all I can really complain about.

cian68

After this week's Raw, Smackdown NXT and Cruiserweight Classic I'm very high on WWE. For all my watching other companies WWE is what I'm most excited about now (I'm a little caught up in the moment)

Itssoeasy

Yeah no I get exactly what you're on about with the most valuable part.

I've always seen HBKs name put forward as a name of the best in ring talent and that kind of the reason why I felt that Ric might not be the best in ring talent.

When I say he wasn't the best in ring that's not to say he was bad. I mean his trilogy with steamboat in '89 I'd put up against any trilogy of matches easy.

His mania 8 match with macho man was a beautiful story both in and out the ring. He had great matches with Harley race, terry funk, the late dusty Rhodes. I mean he was very good but maybe not the best.

leggo

I'd rank him closer to the top in terms of 'Most Valuable' than 'Best', if that make sense (American sports fans will know what I mean because this comes up in every annual MVP debate). In terms of personal preference he probably wouldn't crack my top 10 but there's no denying his importance to pro-wrestling, he's helped shape it into what we know today.

Itssoeasy

I think I've said it before but my favourite wrestler ever (and this has been solidified by the network) is Ric flair.

But I've been thinking and maybe It should be a case of me saying he's the best all rounder ever and that's why he's my favourite. I think there is a case to say there have been better in ring competitors than ric but I think Ric is the best total package.

So my random point is and maybe others can weight in on this.

Where do others rate Ric flair ?

mrkiscool2

CastorTroy wrote: »

Well we have "Make Darren Young great again"

Was going to say the exact same thing, they can't afford to be seen actively endorse him, but they can do it subtly, having the "Make Darren Young Great Again" will stick in people's minds. They also only really started the gimmick once Trump was clearly going to be the candidate, not a coincidence as Young had been cleared for a while before that.

CastorTroy

Well we have "Make Darren Young great again"

leggo

Agent Coulson wrote: »

So wonder will we a lot of Trump for President propaganda on WWE TV over the next few months.

No way, they won't want any part of that ****storm. Too divisive. Now if he wins they'll be all over it on the other hand.

Agent Coulson

So wonder will we a lot of Trump for President propaganda on WWE TV over the next few months.