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LXFlyer

tabbey wrote: »

There is almost a clockface timetable for much of the day, not having a train at 15 minutes after each hour is a lost opportunity to provide a service in which the public can have confidence.

A prospective passenger who arrives in Newbridge station just before 0915, and is told the train left at 0912, will think it is a strange timetable, and use the bus instead. Likewise 1010 & 1510 departures,and several gaps in peak hour.

Keep it simple, stupid (KISS) is an essential tenet of any business.

Bear in mind that this timetable clearly is being introduced to fit in with the existing Heuston and Connolly timetables - therefore a completely clockface timetable would be tricky.

I'd imagine that post-10 minute DART timetable introduction and a revised Heuston timetable that it should be achievable.

ArmaniJeanss

tabbey wrote: »

There is almost a clockface timetable for much of the day, not having a train at 15 minutes after each hour is a lost opportunity to provide a service in which the public can have confidence.

A prospective passenger who arrives in Newbridge station just before 0915, and is told the train left at 0912, will think it is a strange timetable, and use the bus instead. Likewise 1010 & 1510 departures,and several gaps in peak hour.

Keep it simple, stupid (KISS) is an essential tenet of any business.

Why would someone arrive at Newbridge at a random time expecting a train? The frequency of trains will be at a level where you to check the timetable and plan accordingly rather than just turn up.

LXFlyer

thomasj wrote: »

As a maynooth line user, I'd be pissed off if that timetable comes to fruition.

Waiting for ever to get a better timetable with later services and that pops up for Kildare line users.

Well I think you can be sure that the services will start, but clearly that timetable is only a draft.

With respect Kildare line users have been dumped at Heuston for years - I would not begrudge them a service that brings them to Grand Canal Dock. I think you're being a tad churlish.

thomasj

lxflyer wrote:

With respect Kildare line users have been dumped at Heuston for years - I would not begrudge them a service that brings them to Grand Canal Dock. I think you're being a tad churlish.

I have nothing against Kildare line services using gcd, that's for sure it's actually a good timetable and they deserve it.

The issue I have is for example the time of the last service to Kildare. You have Drogheda and Kildare after 11.30pm but with maynooth were talking 11.15 who knows what the Sunday timetable still at 9pm

Enough people shouted at ie for long enough about late services on the maynooth line but theyve got their hands in their ears every time.

tabbey

ArmaniJeanss wrote: »

Why would someone arrive at Newbridge at a random time expecting a train? The frequency of trains will be at a level where you to check the timetable and plan accordingly rather than just turn up.

They would not be turning up at a random time, they would be arriving at a time when a train would be expected, based on the pattern for most of the day.

ArmaniJeanss

tabbey wrote: »

They would not be turning up at a random time, they would be arriving at a time when a train would be expected, based on the pattern for most of the day.

I really don't think its a big deal, they'll know in future that theres a train expected at 9.12 and not 9.15.
Ultimately you can likely only perfectly clockface one station anyway - e.g., the time from Newbridge to Clondalkin seems to vary between 25 and 28 minutes so if you clockface Newbridge for xx15 then the Clondalkin commuters have trains at xx40 and xx43 during the day, and so-on for other stations.

LXFlyer

thomasj wrote: »

I have nothing against Kildare line services using gcd, that's for sure it's actually a good timetable and they deserve it.

The issue I have is for example the time of the last service to Kildare. You have Drogheda and Kildare after 11.30pm but with maynooth were talking 11.15 who knows what the Sunday timetable still at 9pm

Enough people shouted at ie for long enough about late services on the maynooth line but theyve got their hands in their ears every time.

Ah come on - there's a finite amount of trains that can fit into the space. Someone is always going to lose out by a few minutes. There are far bigger issues to fry with the rail service than the difference between a train leaving at 23:10 and 23:27 ex-Pearse.

Moaning about something like that in this thread really is going a bit far.

Quite a few bus routes finish between 23:00 and 23:29 - I don't see clamours of people compaining about that like this.

As for Sundays - I think you do have a point - but have a look at the Kildare Line Sunday service and then maybe realise that you're not the only ones.

Your issue should be with the NTA and not IE - they dictate service levels now.

Frankly I think you're dragging this way off-topic - this thread is about the PPT service and not the Maynooth line.

cowboyjoe

Regarding other lines being left out, please give it a rest. The Kildare line has had the worst connectivity out of all lines and it is great to see so many commuters from west Dublin, Kildare etc being properly serviced, like Maynooth Leixlip, Clonsilla etc have been for years. When I say serviced, a train line that goes where it should in a city, ie,the centre and not 3km away!
I'm happy with potential timetable as it can't really offer much more at the moment in the morning and it has a decent spread of return times in the evening too. I work near Grand Canal Dock, so not always having to drive through horrendous traffic or get an X bus from Lucan, makes me v happy.

Infini

lxflyer wrote: »

I'd imagine that post-10 minute DART timetable introduction and a revised Heuston timetable that it should be achievable.

10min timetable is dead for the forseeable future drivers wont agree to it at all in the current climate.

Captain Chaos

Infini2 wrote: »

10min timetable is dead for the forseeable future drivers wont agree to it at all in the current climate.

That depends how long strike action goes on for. They (NBRU) are balloting today for strike action from next month between the 10min time table and shorter working week and training of new drivers.

LXFlyer

Infini2 wrote: »

10min timetable is dead for the forseeable future drivers wont agree to it at all in the current climate.

Look it will happen eventually.

I'm not making any comment on the ins and outs of the dispute - just pointing out the issue with trying to produce a clockface timetable.

Any chance we could keep the dispute out of this discussion? It has its own thread.

end of the road

cowboyjoe wrote: »

Regarding other lines being left out, please give it a rest.

no, no they won't give it a rest. they are absolutely right to hi-light issues with their rail service and so they should, considering they are paying for it as well. it's the mentality of trying to shut down others who complain that is the reason services aren't as good as they could be, because people don't bother complaining as they get no where so end up with something less then they deserve.

cowboyjoe

With the best regards, my point was that this thread is about the reopening of the PPT, which is a positive step for most of us. Perhaps, if you want to discuss IE and rail network faults (of which I totally agree there are many) why not create a new thread and highlight issues there.

end of the road wrote: »

no, no they won't give it a rest. they are absolutely right to hi-light issues with their rail service and so they should, considering they are paying for it as well. it's the mentality of trying to shut down others who complain that is the reason services aren't as good as they could be, because people don't bother complaining as they get no where so end up with something less then they deserve.

daheff

lxflyer wrote: »

Later in the year - that question keeps being asked here.

There is no precise date yet.

They usually change early december (or historically I have seen this). I was just thought as people could already see a timetable that a timetable was already decided!

Jamie2k9

daheff wrote: »

They usually change early december (or historically I have seen this). I was just thought as people could already see a timetable that a timetable was already decided!

Last Heuston timetable change was in January 2013, current website loaded up to end of October so one would expect any week between October/December but Cork works not finished until November. Not really analysed the above schedule and if it could fit around the current schedules on Heuston side, expect Connolly wouldn't be a big issue.

Edit - Took a look and it does appear to fit around current Heuston services so it may well start and be adjusted when the new Heuston schedule finally happens.

Genghis

I wonder how Irish Rail will facilitate Annual Commuter tickets purchased for travel to Heuston be upgraded fit travel to GCD.

I recently renewed my annual ticket, there was no option beyond Heuston.

LXFlyer

I would imagine that this will be incorporated into the annual fare review that takes place at the end of October each year.

kc56

The draft timetable includes a long 2 hour gap from 0710 to 0910 without a direct service from the two busiest, by far, stations - Sallins and Newbridge.

Perhaps this draft was seeing what could work within the constraints of the current timetable?

LXFlyer

kc56 wrote: »

The draft timetable includes a long 2 hour gap from 0710 to 0910 without a direct service from the two busiest, by far, stations - Sallins and Newbridge.

Perhaps this draft was seeing what could work within the constraints of the current timetable?

I imagine that's exactly it.

Bear in mind that turning at Hazelhatch means more trains overall. People can from Newbridge and Sallins can change en route to a PPT train and vice versa.

Vic_08

kc56 wrote: »

The draft timetable includes a long 2 hour gap from 0710 to 0910 without a direct service from the two busiest, by far, stations - Sallins and Newbridge.

Perhaps this draft was seeing what could work within the constraints of the current timetable?

If those 2 services ran to Newbridge to turn around there would be a very large gap after the 08.22 GCD arrival, to fill it would require an extra train set.

Turning them short allows one more pre-9am city centre arrival and another pre-9.30.

tubbs26

Is it ever envisaged that intercity services bound for Heuston would stop at Hazelhatch to allow connections to the PPT trains?

It would seem like a good idea to me but I'm not sure how feasible it is.

end of the road

tubbs26 wrote: »

Is it ever envisaged that intercity services bound for Heuston would stop at Hazelhatch to allow connections to the PPT trains?

It would seem like a good idea to me but I'm not sure how feasible it is.

i don't think so no . they're really would be no point when portlaoise, portarlington, kildare and newbridge are suitable interchanges, as they are currently the interchanges for anyone needing the suburban stops within the dublin area.

LXFlyer

tubbs26 wrote: »

Is it ever envisaged that intercity services bound for Heuston would stop at Hazelhatch to allow connections to the PPT trains?

It would seem like a good idea to me but I'm not sure how feasible it is.

Not at the moment.

Reducing stops on Intercity trains is key to improving overall journey times.

However, it was clear that at peak times there will be connections to/from stations west of Newbridge using existing services.

Jamie2k9

If it was to happen then Park West would be the best stop to ensure minimal IC time loss, Hazelhatch would lose far more.

spacetweek

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

If it was to happen then Park West would be the best stop to ensure minimal IC time loss, Hazelhatch would lose far more.

Why's that?

Jamie2k9

spacetweek wrote: »

Why's that?

Just acceleration/deceleration purposes Park West would be more suitable. Now there is no massive difference but Park West overall would be a better transfer point in my view and a lot more attractive to people traveling from other parts of Dublin via PPT and onto IC services.

sheff the ref

Deleted User wrote: »

Correct, the track layout makes it impossible for a train to stop at Heuston and then continue on to Connolly.

It would be possible to have a platform and overhead footbridge solution near the River Liffey crossing to enable people to access Heuston station

https://goo.gl/maps/h7UeTed5HVm0

loyatemu

sheff the ref wrote: »

It would be possible to have a platform and overhead footbridge solution near the River Liffey crossing to enable people to access Heuston station

https://goo.gl/maps/h7UeTed5HVm0

there's already a platform there, the little-used platform 10. It's miles from the station though.

Thrashssacre

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/nta-is-designing-bus-corridors-it-cannot-build-chief-says-1.2776300

Starting in october apparently according to this article

"Ms Graham also revealed trains on the Kildare line would begin using the Phoenix Park Tunnel in October, to bring services to Connolly Station."

sheff the ref

loyatemu wrote: »

there's already a platform there, the little-used platform 10. It's miles from the station though.

A tunnel with a flat escalator system like they have in the airports would solve that problem