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Dairy Chit Chat- Please read Mod note in post #1

Timmaay

24/6/16

Recently we saw three posters close their accounts over disagreements in the dairy threads. While there is a lot of frustration and discontent with current milk prices and the processing industry, the recent tendency for dairy threads to become tit-for-tat arguments isn’t tolerable for those not involved.

All farming sectors go through difficult periods and during such times there may need to be changes in how threads are moderated.

Dairy threads are going to be more closely monitored and subject to stricter moderation for a while.

To that end we won’t tolerate baiting of posters, constantly reviving old arguments, posters with agendas or crusading for a cause.

Whether it’s discussion of the business or politics of the dairy or other sectors, we expect civility and tolerance toward each other and other opinions as diversity of opinion is needed as a source of different ways of looking at a situation.

"The aim of argument, or of discussion, should not be victory, but progress." - Joseph Joubert

Also please be aware that what you may post as light-hearted banter can be read totally differently by someone adversely affected by the subject matter and evoke a reaction you hadn’t intended.

The ‘Off-Season’ forum, and its anonymous posting, is available for anyone to chat about their situation.

The Mod Team.

10 away from the 10000 posts! Frazz I think it's fair to say this thread has been a success!

Indeed it was! First thread can be found here- http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056872221

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Keepgrowing

OverRide wrote: »

Rubbish
Council members and their friends in the main were the early adopters and remain the only ones looked after since
Talk to whelan2 here as to what the average Glanbia supplier got out of these schemes
Bugger all basically

Did you apply for each scheme?

mahoney_j

kevthegaff wrote: »

alot of guys that left for dairygold/glanbia have found out about risk management...

I know a few guys that left us Kev for Dairygold and seen there milk price ,simillar solids to me and receiving more .why ???,Arrabawn base price for 3.3 and 3.6 is one of highest but after that our a+b-c is fairly ****e in comparasion to most coops and kpmg audits confirm this .on fixed schemes there a no brainer to fix a % of supply as a method of spreading risk .the guys whinging about it I think are the ones who didn't opt in through milk price peaks .they had there chance .if I was offered to fix a portion of my milk simillar to any Glanbia scheme I'd of took it .we don't have one and won't in near future as cash reserves just aren't there

whelan2

stanflt wrote: »

Jeez lads give it a rest- I've f all in all those schemes but my milk price from Jan - June was 28.3 cpl
Stop blaming everyone else

just looked it up mine was 28.3cpl too. Sizable liquid milk quota and only supplied it in January and February, no manufacturing supplied then at all

freedominacup

mahoney_j wrote: »

I know a few guys that left us Kev for Dairygold and seen there milk price ,simillar solids to me and receiving more .why ???,Arrabawn base price for 3.3 and 3.6 is one of highest but after that our a+b-c is fairly ****e in comparasion to most coops and kpmg audits confirm this .on fixed schemes there a no brainer to fix a % of supply as a method of spreading risk .the guys whinging about it I think are the ones who didn't opt in through milk price peaks .they had there chance .if I was offered to fix a portion of my milk simillar to any Glanbia scheme I'd of took it .we don't have one and won't in near future as cash reserves just aren't there

Cash reserves should have very little to do with it tbh. Glanbia fixed price schemes are supposed to be linked to fixed price contracts the processor has with buyers further along the chain.

kevthegaff

mahoney_j wrote:

I know a few guys that left us Kev for Dairygold and seen there milk price ,simillar solids to me and receiving more .why ???,Arrabawn base price for 3.3 and 3.6 is one of highest but after that our a+b-c is fairly ****e in comparasion to most coops and kpmg audits confirm this .on fixed schemes there a no brainer to fix a % of supply as a method of spreading risk .the guys whinging about it I think are the ones who didn't opt in through milk price peaks .they had there chance .if I was offered to fix a portion of my milk simillar to any Glanbia scheme I'd of took it .we don't have one and won't in near future as cash reserves just aren't there

Are u this thinking of leaving again j! Agree about solids, top 10% price is pretty average tho. Kowtow explained fixed price very well. It would prob be my luck to hedge wrongly 10 times in a row. Someone gains someone loses, must be administrative costs also

OverRide

Keepgrowing wrote: »

Did you apply for each scheme?

I'm not handing out that information on a public forum
The schemes are corrupt because the amount got on a rolling basis depends exponentially on the what one did at the start

mahoney_j

kevthegaff wrote: »

Not blaming but just hope my own co op don't go down that road, are we not allowed to discuss benefits/pitfalls of fixed price schemes and any other for that matter!

Give us a few pitfalls Kev ??,fixed scheme open to all suppliers to apply with ammount ,it's about risk management as others have said .if u don't want to fix don't ,but then when a supplier looses our no point crying wolf ,equally so you could win when price goes above fixed ,so then it was a great move ....

jaymla627

OverRide wrote: »

Rubbish
Council members and their friends in the main were the early adopters and remain the only ones looked after since
Talk to whelan2 here as to what the average Glanbia supplier got out of these schemes
Bugger all basically

That's the rub of it when they lost out on earlier fixed priced schemes they where duly compensated with priority for future schemes receiving over double/treble in the next schemes over the average supplier applying for the first time.....
It was akin to going into paddy power putting 100 euro on a horse and losing but Glanbia decided to look after the boys and basically refunded the 100 euro, the clongowes quota incident seems to of drifted out of lads memories fairly quickly and was a perfect example of how certain suppliers are well looked after once they're in with the boys

mahoney_j

kevthegaff wrote: »

Are u this thinking of leaving again j! Agree about solids, top 10% price is pretty average tho. Kowtow explained fixed price very well. It would prob be my luck to hedge wrongly 10 times in a row. Someone gains someone loses, must be administrative costs also

Nope quite happy with decision to stay ,,,,for now .lot of lads need to understand our milk price though instead of gloating at lads that left .always hearing lads raving about our high milk price but then scratching there head looking at our position on kpmg audits .our coop whilst having made serious strides still has many faults such as crap price for high solids ,no progressive fixed schemes ,instead we're spending a fortune on a totally underperforming local store

mahoney_j

jaymla627 wrote: »

That's the rub of it when they lost out on earlier fixed priced schemes they where duly compensated with priority for future schemes receiving over double/treble in the next schemes over the average supplier applying for the first time.....
It was akin to going into paddy power putting 100 euro on a horse and losing but Glanbia decided to look after the boys and basically refunded the 100 euro, the clongowes quota incident seems to of drifted out of lads memories fairly quickly and was a perfect example of how certain suppliers are well looked after once they're in with the boys

Proof ??????,

OverRide

whelan2 wrote: »

just looked it up mine was 28.3cpl too. Sizable liquid milk quota and only supplied it in January and February, no manufacturing supplied then at all

Aye your liquid was in the low 30's in those 3 months and rightly so which is where you got that average as did I
Liquid is the oldest fixed scheme,the original and the only one run & negotiated for the farmer that has it and not for the CoOp

The new era of fixed though is an entirely different animal probably costing CoOps more than originally anticipated but that's ok or bearable to them for reasons stated above
After all if you want to continue the yes culture at council and board you have to look after the favoured replacement seeds

jaymla627

mahoney_j wrote: »

Proof ??????,

It's widely published about applicants who applied for the first couple of schemes getting priority in the latter schemes, in the phase 5 scheme a friend got 50,000 litres, I got 15,000 litres we had both applied for the same amount but he had been in all the phases since the start and this was my first one to apply for.....

kevthegaff

mahoney_j wrote:

Nope quite happy with decision to stay ,,,,for now .lot of lads need to understand our milk price though instead of gloating at lads that left .always hearing lads raving about our high milk price but then scratching there head looking at our position on kpmg audits .our coop whilst having made serious strides still has many faults such as crap price for high solids ,no progressive fixed schemes ,instead we're spending a fortune on a totally underperforming local store

Have a feeling the store will do well as the large catchment. But its 10 years too late. I prefer to get paid equally as the next supplier, I'd prefer to manage my own money..

mahoney_j

kevthegaff wrote: »

Have a feeling the store will do well as the large catchment. But its 10 years too late. I prefer to get paid equally as the next supplier, I'd prefer to manage my own money..

Store was a disaster stocked with a lot of ****e for years and v poorly managed ,time will tell .liffeys way better .itsxfsir enough if I want to be paid equally but if fixed scheme was offered and u don't avail that's your choice ,as I said hedge your bets .i bet if fixed scheme was offered there would be a fair take up we're now one of only coops with none and near bottom of milk price audits for Irish coops .why ???

mahoney_j

jaymla627 wrote: »

It's widely published about applicants who applied for the first couple of schemes getting priority in the latter schemes, in the phase 5 scheme a friend got 50,000 litres, I got 15,000 litres we had both applied for the same amount but he had been in all the phases since the start and this was my first one to apply for.....

No problem with that nor should u ,neighbour in from start proably list out through market peaks and now reaping benefits ,again risk management .this was your first application and you got 15k ltrs .begrudgery is alive and well in this country still

Buford T. Justice XIX

Chuchote wrote: »

True… but the Irish countryside is increasingly looking American, with wide open fields with no hedges. Not good for the environment; not good for wildlife; not good for balance.

This isn't a discussion for this thread, unless there is a particular dairy emphasis in the point you are making. I can move it to the main forum in its own thread if you wish to continue the discussion?

stanflt

Buford T. Justice V wrote: »

This isn't a discussion for this thread, unless there is a particular dairy emphasis in the point you are making. I can move it to the main forum in its own thread if you wish to continue the discussion?

Who the hell put you in chargeðŸ˜€
Fair play

Buford T. Justice XIX

stanflt wrote: »

Who the hell put you in chargeðŸ˜€
Fair play

Coz I was the sixtyfirst one asked:pac:

stanflt

Buford T. Justice V wrote: »

Coz I was the sixtyfirst one asked:pac:

Sure the 40k per annum will come in handy

Buford T. Justice XIX

stanflt wrote: »

Sure the 40k per annum will come in handy

I'm only in it for the coke and hookers...

Keepgrowing

jaymla627 wrote: »

That's the rub of it when they lost out on earlier fixed priced schemes they where duly compensated with priority for future schemes receiving over double/treble in the next schemes over the average supplier applying for the first time.....
It was akin to going into paddy power putting 100 euro on a horse and losing but Glanbia decided to look after the boys and basically refunded the 100 euro, the clongowes quota incident seems to of drifted out of lads memories fairly quickly and was a perfect example of how certain suppliers are well looked after once they're in with the boys

That is a lie, can't be put simpler than that.

Buford T. Justice XIX

In a bad year, jerseys lost less.

http://www.hoards.com/Intel/160718_art3

Jersey herds lost less money in a poor milk price year than Holstein herds.

kevthegaff

Relation has a silage pit, second cut in yesterday, 200 first +second. Started to split today. What causes it?

Water John

Water and Nitrogen, main culprits.

whelan2

kevthegaff wrote: »

Relation has a silage pit, second cut in yesterday, 200 first +second. Started to split today. What causes it?

This is the first year we had no juice run off on either pit. Hate manging silage juice

mahoney_j

kevthegaff wrote: »

Relation has a silage pit, second cut in yesterday, 200 first +second. Started to split today. What causes it?

Grass too fresh and too wet ,some mess and be a lot of waste .maby pit too small ,too high and not rolled well enough too

orm0nd

kevthegaff wrote: »

Relation has a silage pit, second cut in yesterday, 200 first +second. Started to split today. What causes it?

Water John wrote: »

Water and Nitrogen, main culprits.

+1

we mowed ours Friday

rowed up yesterday pm

picked it to day

6270red

Buford T. Justice V wrote: »

In a bad year, jerseys lost less.

http://www.hoards.com/Intel/160718_art3

Jersey herds lost less money in a poor milk price year than Holstein herds.

Any idea why all the associated costs were higher for the jerseys? It didn't really go into detail.

yosemitesam1

6270red wrote: »

Any idea why all the associated costs were higher for the jerseys? It didn't really go into detail.

Less litres for the jersey's I'd say. Would be interesting to look at the range for both

Dawggone

Grass yesterday.