stretch film wrote: » It's manually entered so I just didn't do it since. 24.5 l atm @1.92kg solids. Like freedom I've noticed a fairly rapid drop off. A bit too quickly for my liking. A little drop in meal ,sneaking some older/poorer grass from heifers block into cows and maybe going in calf are the reasons I'm coming up with. It's still a little more of a drop than I'd like
Wildsurfer wrote: » I presume you know you can link it to Co-op to update automatically?
Keepgrowing wrote: » A question for yourself and stretch, did ye reduce N to paddocks at any stage. My mate while on really light ground recons it's part of his problem. He can't be certain but thinks a little more may have carried him further iykwim
freedominacup wrote: » Yep. Twenty days wouldn't be fast. You know it's gonna start costing money when you are them after ten.
Markcheese wrote: » hasnt chicory really poor persistance ? Cows love it though , (might be why it's persistence is so poor in a test paddock, with something new the cows will hunt out every last leaf)..
charolais0153 wrote: » I thought chicory only lasted 3 grazings ,I could be wrong.
freedominacup wrote: » Thanks for this post stretch. I thought we were the only ones dropping the ball. The extra feed seems to be giving a return and an extra .15pr is a nice side effect. The bales will probably feed better than you might think. There was plenty hairy stuff going into ours too but there's more leaf in them than you'd credit. Ours are horsing into them. Getting at least 4kgs dm from bales. Bales in feeders before they go into the paddock so no row. There's plenty for everyone be it grass or bales when they go in.
Dawggone wrote: » 0.15 pr. Funny that.
freedominacup wrote: » Don't be so cryptic. What am I missing?
Dawggone wrote: » Jeez I'm not! Just find with a little proper nourishment that a uniquely parallel result can be seen. That's all. Proper feed can never be dismissed...to the right kind of animal. I'll post my results in a week or so when the herds settle into it.
freedominacup wrote: Right. The pr lift was a nice bonus. I'm trying to maximise production from forage so always have a bit of a brake on conc inputs. That said they usually respond fairly well to a lift on inputs. I can never square the teagasc figure on meal-milk with any other research. The idea of a kg of concentrate delivering less than a litre of milk doesn't stack up. If it's right our girls delivered almost 5500l off forage last year. I'd be thinking more like 4500l.
freedominacup wrote: » Right. The pr lift was a nice bonus. I'm trying to maximise production from forage so always have a bit of a brake on conc inputs. That said they usually respond fairly well to a lift on inputs. I can never square the teagasc figure on meal-milk with any other research. The idea of a kg of concentrate delivering less than a litre of milk doesn't stack up. If it's right our girls delivered almost 5500l off forage last year. I'd be thinking more like 4500l.
yewtree wrote: » Cow type has a big effect too. Crossbreed herd here never get a great response to meal. Target is to feed about 500kgs/year. Grass was tight here 2weeks ago cows went up to 2.5 kg Conc saw very little improvement in yield. It definitely didn't pay me. When grass growth improved brought meal back to less than .05 kg, cows lost half a litre. Cows doing 19litres 4.72 fat 3.65 protein at the moment
Wildsurfer wrote: » Isn't the perceived wisdom to have everything cut by first week in August and to start building covers from then on? I could see on a wetter farm you might leave it later to avoid covers getting too heavy and not being able to graze them out before closing but that wouldn't apply in your case. Jeez I'm talking about closing covers already where did the summer go!
mahoney_j wrote: » Without raking up the war (another hol v X red debate ).those last few posts are interesting.what I'm noticing especially this year with low price is that high solids milk and low volume associated with typical X Breds won't generate enough cash .combine that with high Sr ,drought and the need to supplement ,the return from meal just isn't paying .came across lots of herds over last few weeks with high % but 16/18 litres per cow production feeding from 2/4 kg meal ,the meal is feeding the cow but in a lot of cases leaving no margin or most likely costing money . Havnt suffered badly with grass here this year ,keeping quality right is a big battle though despite 12/20 day rounds since May .every paddock baled some twice and no topping done.currently at 26.5 ltrs 4.02 dat 3.53 p on 3.5 kg of 16% p.was on 14%!but grass just hadn't enough punch so upped it and by late August I'll be on 18 same feeding rate .also toying with idea of baling strong for 3 weeks in August and only start building covers from then .
pedigree 6 wrote: » Same issue here was on 14% nut and cows not really producing the same as last year. Gone to 16% and cows are milking 26.3 L @ 3.56 bf 3.44 pr and feeding 4 kgs. More milk now than at start of month. Conception seems good this year. No cows bulling in last 3 weeks. Fat is down on other years. Could drop meal a bit to bring up but don't want to loose litres either so keep going as is. Grass doesn't seem to have same punch this year. Spread a bag 18.6.12 last round and going to spread one bag of urea left from spring now (God loves a tryer):D
Keepgrowing wrote: 40 units of N every 28 days. 60% crossbred here. While I accept what Mahoney is saying re farms he's visited I have to say it's not the case here. Cows performing really well
blackdog1 wrote: » First cross or 2nd 3rd?
Keepgrowing wrote: » A bag of 18's is t enough, well depends on sr. It's less than a unit per day for 3 weeks Our cows doing 24lutres or 1.95 kgms on .75kg 12% nut bought on price. All rest is grass, all paddocks bales with 2 topped. 40 units of N every 28 days. 60% crossbred here. While I accept what Mahoney is saying re farms he's visited I have to say it's not the case here. Cows performing really well
Keepgrowing wrote: » Crossing here for about 8 yrs or so. Stopped using Je early in the game as the selection of bulls is limited. Would've used Danish Je in early days, super milkers but no lasting. Should say no heifers in the herd but 15% are calved since last Oct
Sillycave wrote: » How long after removing stock bull do people scan cows/heifers? Is there a prefer method to reduce abortion from the process or is it just your AI doing scan the normal way?
yewtree wrote: » What bulls are you using at moment? Have you used any kiwi cross?
Keepgrowing wrote: » Our cows doing 24lutres or 1.95 kgms on .75kg 12% nut bought on price. All rest is grass, all paddocks bales with 2 topped. 40 units of N every 28 days. 60% crossbred here. While I accept what Mahoney is saying re farms he's visited I have to say it's not the case here. Cows performing really well
