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The Vladimir Putin appreciation thread.

Jimmy Garlic

He has to be one of the greatest leaders the world has ever known, not just a stuffed suit like his wooden American counterpart. His steadfast resolve in the face of a proxy war being waged in Ukraine has to be admired, a war that would never have happened if billions weren't poured into Ukraine to kickstart a coup.

Like him or loathe him there is no doubt that Vladimir Putin is a very shrewd operator who is consistently one step ahead of the game.

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HensVassal

Renegade Mechanic wrote: »

Not imo. They're there on the pretext of fighting ISIS, yet when the Russians eventually waded in on Assad's request, they dealt more damage to everyone, including Isis, than the Americans ever dealt to Isis.

As for Ukraine, I doubt there are Russian troops there, beyond advisers.
I have no doubt however, that the rebels there are in receipt of whatever Russian money and weaponry they can carry/drive/fly.

A bit like what the Americans did in Afghanistan, only in reverse and without the advent of Salafism that's lead to the Middle East we all know and love today..

Plus, Ukraine in the EU is a terrible idea. Old Red is actually doing us a favour. Minimum wage there is equivalent of 27 cents an hour. Where do you reckon what's left of our manufacturing companies will relocate to, while still benefiting from that single market protectionism?
You reckon Brussels wants the Ukraine under it's arse for Ukraine's benefit?!

You might want to remind Mr. Gatling that the Eastern Ukrainians requested to follow Crimea and secede from Ukraine and join Russia. Moscow refused. Yet here he is at the same time trying to maintain that Russia has troops in Ukraine to annex territory that they refused admission to join Russia. :pac:

Try making sense of that.

weisses

Renegade Mechanic wrote: »

As for Ukraine, I doubt there are Russian troops there, beyond advisers.
I have no doubt however, that the rebels there are in receipt of whatever Russian money and weaponry they can carry/drive/fly.

Maybe this will clear things up

https://www.bellingcat.com/news/uk-and-europe/2016/07/04/russias-200th-motorized-infantry-brigade-donbass-tell-tale-tanks/

Gatling

Something that's currently not common knowledge,
Russian air force bombed a Joint Special forces base just on the border with Jordan but just inside Syria last month ,
Base was home to US and British special forces and CIA assets ,
Several cluster bombs were dropped in two separate attacks ,
Russia claims to have killed 4 rebels in the attack which they have claimed the Jordanian government asked them to target the base which was rapidly denied ,
Russia then claimed they didn't know about the base as they were never told about the base or that it wasn't clearly identified ,
Aircraft in question ignored calls from US forces to stop the 2 attacks

HensVassal

weisses wrote: »

Maybe this will clear things up

https://www.bellingcat.com/news/uk-and-europe/2016/07/04/russias-200th-motorized-infantry-brigade-donbass-tell-tale-tanks/

Bellingcat

The citizen journalist site. What about their complete fabrications on ABC?

If they have to lie then would you still trust them? Or give them a pass?

Gatling...you're on ignore because your lies are so prolific that I need Solpadene.

Here's what we'll do.....I'll spend then next 10 days coming up with lies promulgated by Bellingcat and you shall do the same coming up with verifiable facts.
I'll respect your findings if they can be sourced and I would expect that you will extend me the same courtesy.

Let me know when the clock starts.

weisses

HensVassal wrote: »

Bellingcat

The citizen journalist site. What about their complete fabrications on ABC?

If they have to lie then would you still trust them? Or give them a pass?

Gatling...you're on ignore because your lies are so prolific that I need Solpadene.

Here's what we'll do.....I'll spend then next 10 days coming up with lies promulgated by Bellingcat and you shall do the same coming up with verifiable facts.
I'll respect your findings if they can be sourced and I would expect that you will extend me the same courtesy.

Let me know when the clock starts.

The clock started a while back in the CT forum

Lets see how far we will get

At least bring something to the table debunking Bellincat with the same detail as Bellincat tries to prove things

Gatling

weisses wrote: »

The clock started a while back in the CT forum

Lets see how far we will get

At least bring something to the table debunking Bellincat with the same detail as Bellincat tries to prove things

Expect plenty of Rt says along with Sputnik ,

Along with stuff that that wouldn't be acceptable to to the CT forum

Like this the free and Democratic elections that took place in Syria .

http://touch.boards.ie/thread/2057589541/1/#post99504372

Wondering what peoples' opinion are regarding a 75% turnout in the Syrian elections and the popular vote.

It would appear that Syrians are voting en masse for leaders that they themselves want.

The US based monitor concurs with this:

http://www.electiongui...rg/countries/id/208/

So why the outside attacks on Syria if democracy is in fact being exercised therein?

Gatling

HensVassal wrote: »

Gatling...you're on ignore because your lies are so prolific that I need Solpadene.

Put up or shut up .

hens

robindch

HensVassal wrote: »

You might want to remind Mr. Gatling that the Eastern Ukrainians requested to follow Crimea and secede from Ukraine and join Russia. Moscow refused. Yet here he is at the same time trying to maintain that Russia has troops in Ukraine to annex territory that they refused admission to join Russia. :pac:

Try making sense of that.

You don't appear to understand how power politics works in Russia. But that's quite normal as it's not straightforward. Attempting to reconcile, you appear to be doing, the public (as opposed to private) activities and statements of the Russian government and its vassal statelets, complicit and co-operating criminal and non-criminal actors, is difficult.

FYI, the Eastern Ukraininans no more voted to join Russia in the ostentatiously faked referendum which Russia rigged in Eastern Ukraine, than did Ukrainian citizens living in Crimea vote to join Russia in their own Russian-rigged referendum.

Jimmy Garlic

robindch wrote: »

Opposite in the sense that Gatling is generally accurate about what's going on and Mr Garlic is sticking to the Kremlin's misleading/false/deceitful media playbook as though he were stapled to it.

Gatling couldn't be more biased if he tried. I don't think he knows very much at all about Russia, Ukraine, or geopolitics, and is more than happy to completely ignore anything that doesn't fit in with the very simplistic narrative that he repeats.

Gatling

I see Vladi is still crying about the lack of his drug cheats at the Olympics this summer he claims it's a great loss to the Olympics knowing the best athletes in their divisions won't included and as a result be less intense.

Well Vlad if one must have State Sponsored doping you can't complain when caught not even a bunch of raving lunatics can save you on this

Jimmy Garlic

Gatling wrote: »

Jimmy Jimmy Jimmy.

Wouldn't you say something remotely interesting or well informed for a change. I am starting to wonder how many of your 14,477 posts are ''lol''s and vapid inanities. I am here to debate, you are here to repeat things you heard on Sky news.

Gatling

"Jimmy wrote:

how many of your 14,477

It's actually closer to 17,000 with about 100 Lols to mainly Putin bots

The Backwards Man

How come we never get Russian intelligence agents like yer wan from 'The Spy Who Loved Me' posting on boards?

Jimmy Garlic

Looks like my cover is blown. I will have to review my final report before going back to Moscow to hand it in and get briefed on the next assignment.

Пока!

The Backwards Man

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

Looks like my cover is blown. I will have to review my final report before going back to Moscow to hand it in and get briefed on the next assignment.

Пока!

robindch

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

Пока!

Ogromnoye spasibo za nichevo!

weisses

HensVassal wrote: »

Here's what we'll do.....I'll spend then next 10 days coming up with lies promulgated by Bellingcat and you shall do the same coming up with verifiable facts.
I'll respect your findings if they can be sourced and I would expect that you will extend me the same courtesy.

Let me know when the clock starts.

Times up ......

Son Of A Vidic

Gatling wrote: »

It's actually closer to 17,000 with about 100 Lols to mainly Putin bots

When I see the use of the word 'Bot', I see someone who has long lost the debate and any semblance of a point. Your use of it is also particularly ironic, considering it is you who has the most posts in this thread. A thread that was apparently set up as an appreciation thread and the clue that leads me to that assumption, is the use of the word appreciation in the thread title itself.

But since you're the top poster in this thread who appears to have gone against the theme of the thread. I'm just surprised that you haven't yet bothered to set up your own thread. Perhaps something with a suitably appropriate thread title like - My Obsessive Hate Of Putin & All Things Russian thread?

Gatling

Son Of A Vidic wrote: »

I'm just surprised that you haven't yet bothered to set up your own thread. Perhaps something with a suitably appropriate thread dislike - Of Putin

Excellent idea thank you good sir .

But you have several things wrong ,

I don't have an obsessional hatred of russia or Russians .
I do dislike Putin and his and his policy at home in Russia and Ukraine and Syria ,
I stick to the facts and back to it ,
Unlike the Bots who run with Sputnik news Or global research or the obsessional oh look at Putin riding bareback today he's such a stud (if that's your thing )
But when I or many others have challenged them across several threads in various fora we get your with the CIA ,the CIA did this and the CIA did that with Zero facts or evidence to back up their rants .

So what we have is a case fact vs looney tunes makey up land

Son Of A Vidic

Gatling wrote: »

Excellent idea thank you good sir .

But you have several things wrong ,

I don't have an obsessional hatred of russia or Russians .
I do dislike Putin and his and his policy at home in Russia and Ukraine and Syria ,
I stick to the facts and back to it ,
Unlike the Bots who run with Sputnik news Or global research or the obsessional oh look at Putin riding bareback today he's such a stud (if that's your thing )
But when I or many others have challenged them across several threads in various fora we get your with the CIA ,the CIA did this and the CIA did that with Zero facts or evidence to back up their rants .

So what we have is a case fact vs looney tunes makey up land

Since this thread was set up as an appreciation thread and the clue is right there in the thread title. I just find it strange that you have invested some much time going against the original spirit of the thread. When it would have taken you less time to set up an opposing anti-Putin thread of your own.

weisses

Son Of A Vidic wrote: »

Since this thread was set up as an appreciation thread and the clue is right there in the thread title. I just find it strange that you have invested some much time going against the original spirit of the thread. When it would have taken you less time to set up an opposing anti-Putin thread of your own.

Just look at the most thanked posts the first few pages ...That is were the clue and spirit lies

The man is a walking controversy

I highly doubt its meant to be a Putin circle jerk thread

InTheTrees

Son Of A Vidic wrote: »

A thread that was apparently set up as an appreciation thread and the clue that leads me to that assumption, is the use of the word appreciation in the thread title itself.

I think that word was used sarcastically wasn't it?

[Deleted User]

Ive never seen a world leader do this, classy.

cnocbui

sully2010 wrote: »

Ive never seen a world leader do this, classy.

I've never seen another world 'leader' in modern times be behind the deaths of 300 journalists, brazen assasinations of opposition opponents, often with deliberately nasty poisons chosen to inflict immense suffering, and the arrest and torturing to death of lawyers who dare to defend his opponents from trumped up charges.

He's a Stalin-like thug in a nice suit. Same methods, lower body count, but he seizes an obvious photo opportunity and some Putin-bot thinks it can be used as a counter-balance to his true nature. Sorry doesn't work for me.

Irish Praetorian

sully2010 wrote: »

Ive never seen a world leader do this, classy.

Now you've seen it twice.

cnocbui

sully2010 wrote: »

Well first of all I dont care much for Putin nor appreciate him a whole deal, I just thought it was a classy gesture to police escort motorcyclists.

On your point about deaths Putin is responsible for, why dont you take a look at how many deaths the in the middle east the last 4 American presidents and thier British buddies are responsible for. Its easily in the 10s of thousands. They are the documented figures, you think the American government and CIA dont carry out strategic assassinations either? Brainwashed like the rest of them.

Putin comes accross as a thug because he says and does things how they are and doesn't give a damn. He stands up to America and Britain because they try to dictate world policy and why should he accept that when they are the worlds biggest crooks, who not only caused huge loss of civilian life, they are directly responsible for the massive destabilisation of the ME and the consequences we are seeing now all over Europe.

Putin comes across as a thug because he is one. I have not a single good word to say about the US' involvement in the Middle East after the freeing of Kuwait and don't need to look it up, but you can't white-wash Putin or absolve him for his own atrocities by pointing the finger like some school kid and saying - but he did it too!

Another example of the work of Putin the thug:

Was that little kidnapping and hostage episode what you would call 'classy'?

I found the whole thing quite revolting.

Savchenko has more class, bigger balls and more integrity than your lizard-wearing-a-suit scumbag.

InTheTrees

sully2010 wrote: »

Regards to the "but he did it too" comment, if fact that is a bit childish. Is it OK to give examples of "respected" countries and leaders doing the same thing as Putin but are not regarded as thugs?

Putin has trampled on Russian democracy to keep himself in power. How long has it been now? And what title does he hold now? Will he be running in the next election?

I think thats a major reason we regard him with such suspicion. Leaders of "respected" countries don't tend to trash their constitutions to remain in power.

up for anything

Son Of A Vidic wrote: »

Since this thread was set up as an appreciation thread and the clue is right there in the thread title. I just find it strange that you have invested some much time going against the original spirit of the thread. When it would have taken you less time to set up an opposing anti-Putin thread of your own.

Seriously? You've been on Boards for seven years with 30K+ posts to your name and you posted this.

Gatling

So over then last 24/48 hours there's been a sudden build up of russian military forces pouring into Crimea from troops to a lot of heavy weapons and tanks .

Get the feeling something is going to kick off

Jimmy Garlic

Gatling wrote: »

So over then last 24/48 hours there's been a sudden build up of russian military forces pouring into Crimea from troops to a lot of heavy weapons and tanks .

Get the feeling something is going to kick off

Any buildup in Crimea would be defensive. Launching an offensive through the isthmus of Perekop is next to impossible.