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Eircode - its implemetation (merged)

beveragelady

I called An Post today to try to sort out a problem with deliveries. The customer service chap was very helpful and I think it all got sorted.
The thing is, I tried to give him my Eircode because I live at a vague rural address but he said that they're not using them because the system isn't set up.
Amazed!
It's bad enough that they're no good to users of satnavs or google maps, but this is just astonishing. Can anybody explain how this could have been launched to such fanfare when it's all but meaningless?

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Giacomo McGubbin

Does this explain why my Garmin crashes when I try to locate anything via eircode ?

ukoda

Giacomo McGubbin wrote: »

Does this explain why my Garmin crashes when I try to locate anything via eircode ?

Bray Head

Eamon Ryan (Dublin Bay South, Green Party)
Does Mr. Divilly think there is a concern in FMCG, from his experience of running many businesses, that the numbers are not memorable. The number connects to post office sorting offices rather than counties and have four random numbers. Therefore, the numbers are so random that people will never be able to remember them.

Eamon Ryan presumably has a mobile phone number which has one of 5 or 6 3-digit prefixes and then seven totally random numbers.

Is he unable to remember his?

At age 5 my parents taught me our home phone number (6 digits then), and those of my grandparents, in case I ever got lost. I can still remember these numbers today.

Sam Russell

Bray Head wrote: »

Eamon Ryan presumably has a mobile phone number which has one of 5 or 6 3-digit prefixes and then seven totally random numbers.

Is he unable to remember his?

At age 5 my parents taught me our home phone number (6 digits then), and those of my grandparents, in case I ever got lost. I can still remember these numbers today.

If you have a phone with a list of contacts, it remembers the numbers (random or not). I do not have knowledge of a single contact's Eircode - not one.

Bray Head

Sam Russell wrote: »

Bray Head wrote: »

Eamon Ryan presumably has a mobile phone number which has one of 5 or 6 3-digit prefixes and then seven totally random numbers.

Is he unable to remember his?

At age 5 my parents taught me our home phone number (6 digits then), and those of my grandparents, in case I ever got lost. I can still remember these numbers today.

If you have a phone with a list of contacts, it remembers the numbers (random or not). I do not have knowledge of a single contact's Eircode - not one.

It is not socially essential to have a stack of phone numbers in your head like it was 20 years ago. I agree.

Nonetheless it is pretty useful to know your own. I have learned off a few family members' numbers for emergencies.

I only know two eircodes by heart, my own and my parents'. They are not difficult to memorise.

ukoda

Sam Russell wrote: »

If you have a phone with a list of contacts, it remembers the numbers (random or not). I do not have knowledge of a single contact's Eircode - not one.

That same list of contacts has an address field for each person along with a dedicated postcode field.

Did you have knowledge of your contacts mobile number before you asked them for it? Or did you ask them for it and add it to their contact info? The same as you can do for eircode.

Sam Russell

ukoda wrote: »

That same list of contacts has an address field for each person along with a dedicated postcode field.

Did you have knowledge of your contacts mobile number before you asked them for it? Or did you ask them for it and add it to their contact info? The same as you can do for eircode.

When I get a call from someone I want to call again, I add them as a contact.

I have never received a letter with an Eircode from some one I wish to contact again - but it is early days - just a year from launch. I would expect in the next decade or so they may become more common and might even be in common usage by then.

gctest50

sondagefaux wrote: »

Farmers have been urged to use their Eircodes and smartphone apps to help emergency services locate them during serious accidents, writes Darragh McCullough.

While use of the Eircode system is still low, ambulance teams said that the system had to potential to save lives.
"We've lost valuable time going up and down country roads trying to locate farmyards during critical incidents," said Kieran Henry, who works as a paramedic with both ground and air rescue services in Cork and Athlone.
He was addressing farmers who attended a farm safety and accident training day near Currans in Kerry last week. Farmers learned what to do if they encountered victims of serious falls, cuts, crushes or slurry gas poisoning, alongside medics who

e999 for android, vaguely related :

https://www.siliconrepublic.com/gear/google-emergency-location-service?google_editors_picks=true

Launched in the UK and Estonia, Google’s new ‘emergency location service’ could prove a bit of a game-changer should an international roll-out prove successful.
Claiming that 70pc of all calls to emergency services come from mobile phones, Google hopes its emergency location service will allow responses to prove far quicker and more accurate.

ukoda

I really can't understand people advocating for a postcode as a solution for finding non dwelling emergencies. It's far more effective to just have your phone send your location rather than generate a code for your location and then relay that code to someone in a dispatch centre. Services like E112 or locateme112 are a far more advanced solution that requires little to no user input

Why can't people see that there's no need for a postcode in this scenario. It adds an additional layer to the process that's entirely unnecessary.

Yet we have people screaming "EIRCODE CANT FIND YOU ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD" so what. No eircode won't "COST LIVES" and it's entirely stupid and sensational to claim it will or could.

ukoda

So that Autoaddress app will now show the geographical address and a tab for the postal address.

I'm assuming then that anyone can do the same, I.e. Retailers can have the geographic address displayed to customers on sign up forms to keep them happy? Although if using An Post to deliver then you need the postal address. But for any company who doesn't ordinarily deliver goods or uses An Post then this would be a good thing to do.

You can all relax now, they're after moving the airport back again....

https://twitter.com/autoaddress/status/758627720523898880

L1011

Bought a Deliverybox from An Post. The form asks for an Eircode and they use it on the shipping label.

If they really don't care about Eircodes they do seem to go out of their way to use them for this...

sondagefaux

ukoda wrote: »

So that Autoaddress app will now show the geographical address and a tab for the postal address.

I'm assuming then that anyone can do the same, I.e. Retailers can have the geographic address displayed to customers on sign up forms to keep them happy? Although if using An Post to deliver then you need the postal address. But for any company who doesn't ordinarily deliver goods or uses An Post then this would be a good thing to do.

You can all relax now, they're after moving the airport back again....

https://twitter.com/autoaddress/status/758627720523898880

The Eircode Finder now shows two tabs, one with the Geographic Address, one with the Postal Address, when you find an address/eircode.

It seems to default to the Geographic Address.

Good to see that one of the criticisms of the address results has been addressed (pun intended

) so comprehensively.

Smondie

L1011 wrote: »

Bought a Deliverybox from An Post. The form asks for an Eircode and they use it on the shipping label.

If they really don't care about Eircodes they do seem to go out of their way to use them for this...

Here is an e-mail I got from an post confirming they do not use eircodes as they are a different company

http://m.imgur.com/FJXFwn1?r

sondagefaux

Smondie wrote: »

L1011 wrote: »

Bought a Deliverybox from An Post. The form asks for an Eircode and they use it on the shipping label.

If they really don't care about Eircodes they do seem to go out of their way to use them for this...

Here is an e-mail I got from an post confirming they do not use eircodes as they are a different company

http://m.imgur.com/FJXFwn1?r

I suggest you email them your Eircode, which will 'tell [them] exactly where your house is', as anyone who works for An Post should know. It's strange that 'Paul' didn't sign off with 'An Post Customer Services' (capital P) instead of 'An post'...

Any chance you could give us his email address (shouldn't be a problem as it's his work email, used for replying to An Post customer enquiries) so I can point out the shortcomings in his response to you?

Smondie

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oscarBravo

Smondie wrote: »

Here is an e-mail I got from an post confirming they do not use eircodes as they are a different company

That's a pretty stupid thing to say. I use Eircodes, even though they're a different company. Is he trying to claim that Eircodes were created by Capita for their own exclusive use?

chewed

If An Post don't use eircodes, who is putting that "Remember to use your Eircode" stamp on letters?

Smondie

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L1011

I have a feeling that trotting out an email from some time ago when its pretty obvious they're making efforts to encourage their use now is rather pointless.

plodder

L1011 wrote: »

I have a feeling that trotting out an email from some time ago when its pretty obvious they're making efforts to encourage their use now is rather pointless.

How do you know when that email was sent?

McAlban

An Post are using Eircodes for other services, such as delivery box and other products. Just not for planning the mail deliveries.

Don't they own Data Ireland? Who are an Eircode provider.

L1011

plodder wrote: »

How do you know when that email was sent?

Because it's been pasted here for months

selastich2

L1011 wrote: »

Because it's been pasted here for months

do you have any link to the first time or any time it was posted? Did you see the thing on twitter earlier with Jermery Corban in the uk where he took a picture of himself sitting on the floor if the virgin train, claiming there was no seats. He was using it as a campaign to nationalise the trains. Richard Branson tweeted the real footage and it showed lots of empty seats and that Corbon only sat on the floor for the photo opportunity.

this could be an expose just like that :eek: :pac:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-3757395/Corbyn-s-Virgin-train-stunt-shows-s-stuck-1970s.html

sondagefaux

Corbyn was trying to privatise trains? :ermm:

plodder

L1011 wrote: »

Because it's been pasted here for months

I must have overlooked it. I'd be interested to see where it was posted too (first). Can't ask Smondie as he appears to have been banned.

selastich2

sondagefaux wrote: »

Corbyn was trying to privatise trains? :ermm:

nationalise

plodder

selastich2 wrote: »

nationalise

OT, but what's interesting about that is Branson would have known that publishing that CCTV was a data protection breach. He probably went ahead anyway as he figured that Corbyn would be too embarrassed to do anything about it, and that it was worth the risk, in case he gets into power and does try to nationalise Virgin Trains.

BoatMad

OT, but what's interesting about that is Branson would have known that publishing that CCTV was a data protection breach

why would it be a data protection breach ?

plodder

BoatMad wrote: »

why would it be a data protection breach ?

Your photographic image is personal data and CCTV is on trains for only limited purposes like security. So using it for other purposes (like rebutting Corbyn's political point) would be a breach. I see the case is being investigated by their DP watchdog.

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plodder wrote: »

Your photographic image is personal data and CCTV is on trains for only limited purposes like security. So using it for other purposes (like rebutting Corbyn's political point) would be a breach. I see the case is being investigated by their DP watchdog.

Considering the fact that he had a camera crew with him, I would say that any case brought against Virgin would be thrown out.