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The Mega Mk7 Golf GTI/GTD/R thread

carsfan

Any body with either of these able to advise on what the real world economy is of these?
There is not much between them in purchase price.
The gtd 625 euro more.
I do 25000km a year and really would prefer the gti but my head tells me the gtd is what I should be looking at.
I've only driven the gti and found it very entertaining.
Dealer says resale is the same for both of them. There is only 90 euro difference in road tax and insurance the same so fuel costs are the main financial difference.

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JoeA3

Kagawa wrote: »

Does anyone know how long it takes from build week to me getting my car. I ordered a GTD and it was built this week, I was told that it was usually 3 weeks by dealer but i'd like to know what other people have had to wait. I'm getting impatient now its close, thanks.

Anywhere from 2-5 weeks. Depends on the boats and the trucks.

Kagawa

Does anyone know how long it takes from build week to me getting my car. I ordered a GTD and it was built this week, I was told that it was usually 3 weeks by dealer but i'd like to know what other people have had to wait. I'm getting impatient now its close, thanks.

bazz26

With the big push on low rater PCP deals on new cars I'm not surprised you're getting a low trade-in price. People who would normally be looking at buying a 1 or 2 year old car are now being attracted to brand new cars because of these deals. This is having an impact on the used car market and as such dealers are pricing trade-ins low as they are worst case expecting them to be sitting on their forecourts for a longer period of time.

carsfan2

15 to 18 k To change I would guess.
If a new model/ facelift had arrived closer to the higher figure.
If sterling weakens even more these are going to be cheap imports as used values are low in uk apparently due to cheap leases in the past

JoeA3

blingrhino wrote: »

i was thinking similar joe.

i didnt get a price yet.

The jump from the 132 GTI to a 152 R was about 19k. So you'd hope R to R would be a bit less but who knows, the way the depreciation curve is going!

blingrhino

JoeA3 wrote: »

15k?

i was thinking similar joe.

i didnt get a price yet.

JoeA3

G00L wrote: »

Has anyone parked in the airport short term car park? Is it safe enough? I see in their terms they waive all responsibility. Wondering before I place the car there

I have a couple of times. Ended up on the roof as it's usually jam packed on the lower floors. It was fine. I just picked a space at the end of a row and hoped for the best!

G00L

Has anyone parked in the airport short term car park? Is it safe enough? I see in their terms they waive all responsibility. Wondering before I place the car there

JoeA3

blingrhino wrote: »

How much should i be expecting to change from a 151 R to a 171 with same spec ?

35000kms

15k?

Micky 32

I saw a 161 Audi S3 quattro 300bhp advertised on an Audi dealer for 40k,

blingrhino

How much should i be expecting to change from a 151 R to a 171 with same spec ?

35000kms

carsfan2

not at all surprised at trade on value you were given.
Increased sales have left sales guys a lot less keen to deal. I see a take it or leave it approach returning big time.
The days when a gtd/ gti/R was a rare car commanding a high value are gone I fear and zero per cent finance and new will kill values of nearly new.

GustavoFring

I've seen worse...my uncle got 24k for a 44k 151 Passat about 2 months ago. He paid 42k for it straight cash.

With the deals on new cars it's very difficult to sell nearly new meaning they have to be cheaper.

JoeA3

Tbh I think VW's sales tactics in the last couple of years - low PCP rates and big spec improvements - is really going to hurt the used car residuals.

VW's have traditionally had this rep for strong resale value but tbh they're no better than any of the rest of them in that regard now. It's all about high volume new sales...

everlast75

Don't get me wrong. I've been around the block a few times and have encountered depreciation on new cars before. However, to my mind, 7k on the first year, with 3-4 thereafter sounded and indeed looked about right.. nothing like the figure I was quoted.

Anyhoo, I am shopping around. They say hindsight is 20/20 - I wish I'd have known over 25% depreciation in one year was on the cards. I would have thought twice to be honest.

JoeA3

ROR has hit the nail on the head. The first year you suffer the most chronic depreciation. Then we have the low PCP rates on new cars and the Brexit situation isn't helping either.

Go shopping again for 171 and I reckon your trade in offers won't be much different to now.

R.O.R

everlast75 wrote: »

Annnnnnyyhooooo..

I mentioned above I was thinking of changing to a GTi so I brought my GTD (151) into the garage I bought it from, to get a quote against one.

I got the spreadsheet and a car which I bought for 40k, in May of last year, had serviced, is in immaculate condition... the trade in value was...
€28,000!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What the actual f**k!?

I emailed the dealer and asked them to explain why the offer for my car was so low. I doubt I will get a reply that makes sense.

Flip it over and put yourself in the shoe's of a potential buyer of a GTD.

How much cheaper than a new one would a year old GTD have to be before you'd buy the used one?

The answer is a good bit cheaper, and that's why you've had such a poor trade in value against it. Dealer will need to retail it €8,000 ish less than a brand new one to get someone in to it. With the cheap PCP and 01% finance on new cars, the value of 1 year olds has taken a hit, and that's been amplified by the drop in sterling as well.

It will probably be worth about the same this time next year if there's isn't substantially more mileage on it.

I've a 152 A5 here that came back off lease early. It was a touch over €60k retail when it was new. 11,000km on and the most we were offered for it was €37,000! Thankfully I've found a home for it for 9 months - again, probably worth around the same when it comes back early next year as it is now, but a lot depends on the sterling exchange rate.

JoeA3

I was offered 28k for my 132 GTI in November '14 for a change to 151. I held off and went back to them in March with a view to changing up to 152. I got 29.5k for the GTI then :pac:

So I say hold tight / shop around.

everlast75

Annnnnnyyhooooo..

I mentioned above I was thinking of changing to a GTi so I brought my GTD (151) into the garage I bought it from, to get a quote against one.

I got the spreadsheet and a car which I bought for 40k, in May of last year, had serviced, is in immaculate condition... the trade in value was...

€28,000!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What the actual f**k!?

I emailed the dealer and asked them to explain why the offer for my car was so low. I doubt I will get a reply that makes sense.

Brian Scan

JoeA3 wrote: »

Not true. No idea how you managed that but I've done the same thing a few times and the car refuses to re-lock. A warning comes up on the MFD too saying something like "Keys detected inside" or words to that effect.

Brilliant.

Ron Burgundy II

I've placed them in the boot and the car simply starts flashing the indicators warning you that the key is in the boot and it won't lock. So not sure what happened in your case

Just saw Joe reply, I never looked at the dash. Must check this out

JoeA3

If you have the spare key ready to hand, you should give it a try again. Only takes a few seconds!
I just:
- locked car
- walked to boot and pressed VW badge to open
- threw key into the boot
- closed down the hatch.

- hazards flashed 3-4 times and I could see through the glass that an error flashed up in the MFD.

hazbot

I wondered about that too, but there was nothing out of the ordinary in the boot that day, no laptops or tablets or other metallic objects or electronic gadgets blasting out wifi or bluetooth to potentially cause interference. The keys were in a cheapo canvas type backpack, with nothing much else inside there. A couple of fleeces scattered around.

I was going to test it again some day with the boot completely empty and put in the key by itself with nothing else but I haven't gotten around to it. To be honest, for me personally it's a bit of a moot point now... even if I tested it 100 times and it successfully avoided locking itself 100 times, or if I went back to VW and they said they fixed it by replacing something or other - I'd always have that nagging feeling. If the system could be defeated by having certain contents in the boot, it might happen again some day. And I got enough of a slagging the first time!

Thanks for testing it on your car btw. I'd be interested to hear if any other folks on the thread got a chance to test (just don't blame me if you get locked out

)

JoeA3

hazbot wrote: »

That's really interesting , so it seems hit and miss. Because first thing I did while waiting for rescue that day was do some googling and the first hit was on vwroc, where same thing happened to someone else with a MK7 R.

http://www.vwroc.com/forums/topic/6009-the-day-i-locked-myself-out-of-car-and-home/

Seems you are safe but I'd still recommend other owners check their cars so they know if this is a possibility for them.

Only thing I can think of is maybe your key was so buried in the bag and obstructed by other items (laptop?) that the car didn't sense it as the boot lid closed.... And boom, car locks! Seems unlikely though.

hazbot

That's really interesting , so it seems hit and miss. Because first thing I did while waiting for rescue that day was do some googling and the first hit was on vwroc, where same thing happened to someone else with a MK7 R.

http://www.vwroc.com/forums/topic/6009-the-day-i-locked-myself-out-of-car-and-home/

Seems you are safe but I'd still recommend other owners check their cars so they know if this is a possibility for them.

JoeA3

hazbot wrote: »

Definitely true, coz it happened.

Car was fully locked. I walked up to the boot with keys in range (as they were in the backpack I was holding, a fact I had forgotten at that point). The hatch unlocked and I opened it, but the rest of the car stayed locked. Then I put the backpack/keys into the boot and closed it. The hatch locked, so now the whole car was locked with keys inside. That's exactly how it happened.

To prevent it happening again, I am planning to get an access key , i.e. a copy of the bladed part and keep it in my wallet or whatever. At least then I will be able to unlock the doors and drop the seats to get into the boot.

BTW I called VW support because I thought it was a fault. I told them about the above sequence of events and they agreed that under these specific circumstances, it is possible to lock the keys in the boot.

I've had 2 MK7's with keyless. I've done exactly as you described a few times and the car doesn't lock. The indicators flash a few times and an error appears in the dash. Just to be sure, I tried it here again 5 minutes ago and same result!

It really should not happen as you described it.

Nonoperational

I think it's quite impressive it can detect the difference between inside and a few cm outside.

hazbot

Definitely true, coz it happened.

Car was fully locked. I walked up to the boot with keys in range (as they were in the backpack I was holding, a fact I had forgotten at that point). The hatch unlocked and I opened it, but the rest of the car stayed locked. Then I put the backpack/keys into the boot and closed it. The hatch locked, so now the whole car was locked with keys inside. That's exactly how it happened.

To prevent it happening again, I am planning to get an access key , i.e. a copy of the bladed part and keep it in my wallet or whatever. At least then I will be able to unlock the doors and drop the seats to get into the boot.

BTW I called VW support because I thought it was a fault. I told them about the above sequence of events and they agreed that under these specific circumstances, it is possible to lock the keys in the boot.

JoeA3

hazbot wrote: »

Just be careful not to do what I did ... leave keys in a backpack, throw said backpack in the boot and close the hatch.

Not fun when the car locks itself and your spare key is two hours away

The car will detect when the keys are inside the passenger area and will refuse to lock. But it doesn't detect if the keys are in the boot.

Not true. No idea how you managed that but I've done the same thing a few times and the car refuses to re-lock. A warning comes up on the MFD too saying something like "Keys detected inside" or words to that effect.

hazbot

G00L wrote: »

Well I got my R in the end. Loving it ðŸ˜Š I have a question regarding keyless entry.

Just be careful not to do what I did ... leave keys in a backpack, throw said backpack in the boot and close the hatch.

Not fun when the car locks itself and your spare key is two hours away

The car will detect when the keys are inside the passenger area and will refuse to lock. But it doesn't detect if the keys are in the boot.