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Milk Price- Please read Mod note in post #1

delaval

24/6/16

Recently we saw three posters close their accounts over disagreements in the dairy threads. While there is a lot of frustration and discontent with current milk prices and the processing industry, the recent tendency for dairy threads to become tit-for-tat arguments isn’t tolerable for those not involved.

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I was wondering would it be a help if we posted our milk prices. I would hope that if someone is low that help could be given, on the other hand if high perhaps your tips could help us all.

I would suggest posting your processors base inc Vat for comparison
Post your Nett price for others to help or be helped
I think that solids should be included.
I suggest any seasonal/liquid contract price be excluded or seperated.

I feel that we as farmers do a lot of bitching about processor prices and rightly so IMO. I also feel that we should not worry about it as we can do nothing about base price but we certainly do something about it at farm level.

What do you all think?

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darragh_haven

pedigree 6 wrote: »

When are you starting milking?:P

Spring 2018

visatorro

darragh_haven wrote: »

Spring 2018

Thought you said before her indoors wasn't overly enthusiastic about the idea of you milking cows?!

darragh_haven

visatorro wrote: »

Thought you said before her indoors wasn't overly enthusiastic about the idea of you milking cows?!

Shes not. But money talks and bull**** walks. My current job wont continue in the medium to long term. OAD and a local part time job is the plan

Farmer Ed

How the EU Voluntary Milk Reduction scheme will work @agrilandIreland http://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/how-the-eu-voluntary-milk-reduction-scheme-will-work/

The prospect of getting paid 14c per litre for milk not produced in the last 3 months of the year would surely have to welcomed. A lot of lads would dry off early and take a rest.

kk.man

Lads try been a dry stock/tillage farmer and give out about grain merchants, sheep,,beef,pig factories ....then u might have a real grievance over a continuous period of time...u r a selfish lot ...

[Deleted User]

kk.man wrote: »

Lads try been a dry stock/tillage farmer and give out about grain merchants, sheep,,beef,pig factories ....then u might have a real grievance over a continuous period of time...u r a selfish lot ...

Who put the gun to anyones head, most beef and tillage seem to enjoy poor mouthing as a way of life. Fook that, if you cant earn an acceptable wage from your farm make a change or get out and sell up.

red bull

Don't like the last few posts, we all have to live. I would just like other farmers to remember that dairying is 24/7 for at least 10 months. Unfortunately all farming systems are having a prolonged bad patch. Product prices are at late 1970s prices but costs are so high we all must run to stand still. This is not sustainable, food is a product that must be paid for.

EICVD

€1.75 per litre in my local spar.....

Dawggone

Waffletraktor wrote: »

Who put the gun to anyones head, most beef and tillage seem to enjoy poor mouthing as a way of life. Fook that, if you cant earn an acceptable wage from your farm make a change or get out and sell up.

Hmmm...does that advice go for dairy farmers also? or is it just for moaning beef and tillage farmers??

I must say that the attitude of dairy farmers screaming for handouts 15mts after market protection is removed does grate a little with other sectors...the fact that they (dairy) suggest that they're worth it because they work hard for 10mts or that they're more important for the economy comes across as arrogant navel gazing.
I milk a few cows myself for *12* months of the year....amongst other things.

Just saying.

Edit. If an open market is wanted, then give an open market. No intervention, no price supports...and no subsidized ski holidays!!

Very hard to have your cake, and eat it.

Farmer Ed

In fairness the money for this new payment of 14c for every litre less milk produced in the last 3 months of the year this year compared to last year,is on the table from Brussels. It's absolutely Taylor made for a spring calving system, plus it's likely less milk is going to be produced in the back end anyway this year. If Ifa and our minister refuse to allow it? I just don't know what to say?

Dawggone

Farmer Ed wrote: »

In fairness the money for this new payment of 14c for every litre less milk produced in the last 3 months of the year this year compared to last year,is on the table from Brussels. It's absolutely Taylor made for a spring calving system, plus it's likely less milk is going to be produced in the back end anyway this year. If Ifa and our minister refuse to allow it? I just don't know what to say?

Beats the crap out of superlevy fines for overproduction...let calves suckle cows and score 14cpl...but but..wait, what about the beef suckler farmer??

Farmer Ed

Dawggone wrote: »

Beats the crap out of superlevy fines for overproduction...let calves suckle cows and score 14cpl...but but..wait, what about the beef suckler farmer??

Drawg to be honest sometimes i wonder? Spring. Calving system, last 3 months of the year? Suckle calves? Hmm maybe just dry off cows early? Likelihood is we will have less milk this back end anyway, so effectively its money for nothing.

Timmaay

Dawggone wrote: »

Edit. If an open market is wanted, then give an open market. No intervention, no price supports...and no subsidized ski holidays!!
Very hard to have your cake, and eat it.

No bps so either? I think that would hit beef and tillage lads worse than dairying...

[Deleted User]

Dawggone wrote: »

Hmmm...does that advice go for dairy farmers also? or is it just for moaning beef and tillage farmers??

I must say that the attitude of dairy farmers screaming for handouts 15mts after market protection is removed does grate a little with other sectors...the fact that they (dairy) suggest that they're worth it because they work hard for 10mts or that they're more important for the economy comes across as arrogant navel gazing.
I milk a few cows myself for *12* months of the year....amongst other things.

Just saying.

Edit. If an open market is wanted, then give an open market. No intervention, no price supports...and no subsidized ski holidays!!
Very hard to have your cake, and eat it.

Bollox to that most people were given an asset of many hundreds of thousands, if it was a business that was failing you would be told to sell up why not farms?. Like I have said any farm producing bottom end bulk is already out of business our costs are too high.

Dairy is its own basket case how long until restrictions are brought back in? Intervention to save the day and they get back talking of what great farmers they all are.

Dawggone

Timmaay wrote: »

No bps so either? I think that would hit beef and tillage lads worse than dairying...

Ah now Tim...I didn't realise that you leave your bps at the door of the milking parlor!

[Deleted User]

Timmaay wrote: »

No bps so either? I think that would hit beef and tillage lads worse than dairying...

And how much was dairy bps worth per litre?

pedigree 6

Waffletraktor wrote: »

And how much was dairy bps worth per litre?

How do you work that one out?
There's farmers now who had tillage or fattened cattle with large bps and have now converted to dairy.
Don't get this dairy bashing.
If you (not aimed at anyone) think it's so great start milking cows. It's open to everyone now. No excuse.

As for bps or sfp I think everyone here knows my position on them.
No payments for anyone. Let the market decide if they won't pay for the produce (below cop) they won't get it.
And get rid of forestry payments too.
Farming now is not farming anymore.

wats the craic

Waffletraktor wrote: »

Bollox to that most people were given an asset of many hundreds of thousands, if it was a business that was failing you would be told to sell up why not farms?. Like I have said any farm producing bottom end bulk is already out of business our costs are too high.

Dairy is its own basket case how long until restrictions are brought back in? Intervention to save the day and they get back talking of what great farmers they all are.

i think we have a very jealous non dairy farmer on our hands here ...

Mod: Argue the point, not the poster, please!

[Deleted User]

pedigree 6 wrote: »

How do you work that one out?
There's farmers now who had tillage or fattened cattle with large bps and have now converted to dairy.
Don't get this dairy bashing.
If you (not aimed at anyone) think it's so great start milking cows. It's open to everyone now. No excuse.

As for bps or sfp I think everyone here knows my position on them.
No payments for anyone. Let the market decide if they won't pay for the produce (below cop) they won't get it.
And get rid of forestry payments too.
Farming now is not farming anymore.

For last few years 'dairy' farmers have been moaning about other sectors receiving larger bps without realising quota was the exact same. I wouldn't mind a few tons of wheat been hidden away atm.

pedigree 6

Waffletraktor wrote: »

For last few years 'dairy' farmers have been moaning about other sectors receiving larger bps without realising quota was the exact same. I wouldn't mind a few tons of wheat been hidden away atm.

And get rid of intervention as well.
I had to laugh. I was at the ifa meeting and the glanbia board members were telling us how they are dairy farmers too and they feel our pain. Just not mentioning about the 60k and shares they're getting. Different worlds.

[Deleted User]

pedigree 6 wrote: »

And get rid of intervention as well.
I had to laugh. I was at the ifa meeting and the glanbia board members were telling us how they are dairy farmers too and they feel our pain. Just not mentioning about the 60k and shares they're getting. Different worlds.

But the shareholders voted it through to go this way didnt they?
Your a shareholder in a company now, who happens to supply milk to the company now?

pedigree 6

Waffletraktor wrote: »

But the shareholders voted it through to go this way didnt they?
Your a shareholder in a company now, who happens to supply milk to the company now?

Supposed to be a coop.
Not though. When in a year of falling milk prices to farmers and increased profits to the 'company '.
The CEO can award herself an 18 per cent pay rise and everyone thinks it's ok.
Enough on that. Some country.

Timmaay

Dawggone wrote: »

Ah now Tim...I didn't realise that you leave your bps at the door of the milking parlor!

But you'll surely agree that the BPS is basically intervention, would you rather it was gone to allow a truly free market? And simple as is you take the likes of a 100acre farmer during the SFP reference years, if he was a beef farmer he would have in general ended up with a much better sfp for the last 15yrs than if he was dairying then. Im

freedominacup

pedigree 6 wrote: »

Supposed to be a coop.
Not though. When in a year of falling milk prices to farmers and increased profits to the 'company '.
The CEO can award herself an 18 per cent pay rise and everyone thinks it's ok.
Enough on that. Some country.

They never said it was supposed to be a co-op but anyone who pointed out the obvious was told to take off the tinfoil hat. "The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was to convince the world that he didn't exist".

Dawggone

Timmaay wrote: »

But you'll surely agree that the BPS is basically intervention, would you rather it was gone to allow a truly free market? And simple as is you take the likes of a 100acre farmer during the SFP reference years, if he was a beef farmer he would have in general ended up with a much better sfp for the last 15yrs than if he was dairying then. Im

Apples and oranges. Everybodys SFP is their own business. It was a no brainer not to have bought the subs...so Joe Cowboy now wants intervention+handouts+ski holiday+some of my sfp that I bought and paid for?
Lovely:)

Edit. Want to hear some real misery?

Guy I know was harvesting north of me yesterday and his one yr old 9230 combine went up. Turns out he's got no insurance because the prefecture banned harvesting between midday and 20:00hrs. He didn't know and neither did I, chopping away last couple of days oblivious...

[Deleted User]

Dawggone wrote: »

Edit. Want to hear some real misery?

Guy I know was harvesting north of me yesterday and his one yr old 9230 combine went up. Turns out he's got no insurance because the prefecture banned harvesting between midday and 20:00hrs. He didn't know and neither did I, chopping away last couple of days oblivious...

Have 9230 coming on demo in a few weeks, this a common fault? A good dealer will help for a hire machine to retain business hopefully.
A neighbour that stores osr and some crops here delivered last load of 320t of osr reckon from his balance sheet with oil/moisture sorted will have a net profit of -£3000 due to lack of drainage and crops giving up in June rains. Didn't have heart to mention we are quite happy. Sacked a student this am for being useless other than sweeping sheds.

Dawggone

Waffletraktor wrote: »

Have 9230 coming on demo in a few weeks, this a common fault? A good dealer will help for a hire machine to retain business hopefully.
A neighbour that stores osr and some crops here delivered last load of 320t of osr reckon from his balance sheet with oil/moisture sorted will have a net profit of -£3000 due to lack of drainage and crops giving up in June rains. Didn't have heart to mention we are quite happy. Sacked a student this am for being useless other than sweeping sheds.

Didn't hear of fire being a prob on that model, but 44* yesterday.
OSR star performer this yr. 4.4t/ha @6.6% waiting on oil. Sold fwd €367/t.

I gave him a combine this am. I'll be finished Friday. Wheats now 8%

greysides

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wats the craic wrote: »

i think we have a very jealous non dairy farmer on our hands here ...

Mod: Argue the point, not the poster, please!

Farmer Ed

Is this a milk price thread or a firebrigade tread? Or even a serves those bloody greedy dairy farmers right thread.
As for milk price and dairy farm income, IMO the biggest immediate decision facing this country at the moment is, do we avail of the package offered to us by Brussels or not? The money is allocated. It's not going to make any difference to the non dairy guys at this stage if we avail of it or not. IMO I think it would be an act of treason for the minister not to allow farmers the option to avail of the package if they so wish. It might not make anyone rich, but right now the prospect of getting 14c /l for every litre less produced for the last 3 months of 2016 compared to 2015 is a pretty attractive offer?

Farmer Ed

Dawggone wrote: »

Didn't hear of fire being a prob on that model, but 44* yesterday.
OSR star performer this yr. 4.4t/ha @6.6% waiting on oil. Sold fwd €367/t.

I gave him a combine this am. I'll be finished Friday. Wheats now 8%

Wow you should really have reported that to the French met office as 44* is a new record for France http://www.thelocal.fr/20160720/storms-on-the-way-after-frances-record-heatwave