hinault wrote: » Which denomination of non-Catholic are you? Where do the gospels contradict each other? Gospel and verse.
1123heavy wrote: » 1. I am a non Catholic
1123heavy wrote: » Matthew 26:17, Mark 14:12 and Luke 22:7 all state the last supper was on the first day of the passover. However, in John 19:14 it states the last supper took place a day before the first day of passover.
13:1 Before the festival day of the pasch, Jesus knowing that his hour was come, that he should pass out of this world to the Father: having loved his own who were in the world, he loved them unto the end. 13:2 And when supper was done, (the devil having now put into the heart of Judas Iscariot, the son of Simon, to betray him,) 13:3 Knowing that the Father had given him all things into his hands, and that he came from God, and goeth to God; 13:4 He riseth from supper, and layeth aside his garments, and having taken a towel, girded himself
Leia Nutritious Murk wrote: » You're Muslim.!
hinault wrote: » I gathered that earlier, Which non-Catholic denomination do you belong to? A clear answer would greatly save my time.
hinault wrote: » Chapter 13 of St.John's gospel describes very very briefly what we know as the Last Supper. John's gospel does not contain the same level of detail as the other gospels do concerning the Last Supper. Nor does it contradict the other gospels concerning the Last Supper. The account simply states that the (Last) Supper took place.
Leroy42 wrote: » What difference does it make.
Leroy42 wrote: » The point, if I may be so bold, of the poster is not to argue about the minutia of the details but to simply raise the point that believing in something that in itself has clear contractions or has at best passages that are open to interpretation is somewhat problematic and they cannot understand how you can accept that it is all an inherent and one truth yet also be able to wiggle around the clear problems without a second thought.
Leroy42 wrote: » Whatever he is, or isn't, doesn't deal with the question asked. Just because you're parents had some water poured on your head by a priest when you were a baby does not give you any better insight than anyone else. It is knowledge and questioning that leads you to answers. Reza Aslan is not a catholic but he, like many others whose profession it is to study all religious texts, I bet knows far more than you do about the bibles, Jesus, the middle east at the time.
The account simply states that the (Last) Supper took place
2.If the poster is debating the content of topics in which he/she has no belief, then those who might consider replying need to know this.
1123heavy wrote: » As I told you, please think with your own brain, this is very worrying and I am not being sarcastic.
Delirium wrote: » MOD NOTEPlease avoid the personal commentary and keep to the topic. Thanks for your attention.
There is also no need to be rude by suggesting other posters use their brains.
Good morning! It's interesting that these are very similar points to what I've heard other Muslim friends argue with me on the basis of Zakir Naik or other apologists. The conversation usually gets better when we move away from the ping pong and actually want to learn something. I'm interested to discuss but not in a ping pong match where I go to Answering Islam (Christian apologetic site), and you go to Answering Christianity (Islamic apologetic site). Naturally people generally aren't interested in this type of discussion. Particularly when these "contradictions" all have answers online if you search for them. It would perhaps be more fruitful and more interesting to engage in good Islamic/ Christian dialogue rather than fill this thread with material from apologists online. If there's enough demand for it a new thread could be the right place for this dialogue. I've read a lot of the Qur'an so I'd be happy to have the right sort of conversation with you on a new thread.
1123heavy wrote: » Incorrect in the context of the whole Gospel. John 19:14 "It was now about noon on the day of preparation for the Passover. ...”. This account contradicts all three other Gospels, for example Mark 14:12. "On the first day of the Festival of Unleavened Bread, when it was customary to sacrifice the Passover lamb, Jesus’ disciples asked him, “Where do you want us to go and make preparations for you to eat the Passover?” If you want to lie to yourself go ahead, but the text says what it says. One says the day before and three others say on the day itself. There is no possible reconciliation and they cannot both be true ... this equals contradiction.
branie2 wrote: » While we're on the subject, the visions at Lourdes, Knock and Fatima are regarded as demonic by some Protestants
Nick Park wrote: » Fixed your post.
branie2 wrote: » While we're on the subject, the visions at Lourdes, Knock and Fatima are regarded as demonic by Protestants
Jellybaby1 wrote: » I just spent the evening in a meeting with a group of RC's and CoI's. We all had a lovely time together and no-one mentioned religion because it was unnecessary and we all get along so well without it.
Jellybaby1 wrote: » As a life long Prod, I have never heard that before. Where do people get their information from I wonder? I have never been taught anything at all by my religious teachers about Lourdes, Knock or Fatima. Never even been mentioned to me. Is it possible someone told you porkies? Or maybe I should ask what Protestants have you discussed this with?
looksee wrote: » I thought that myself JB, it is not a subject that comes up generally, though if it did it would be considered more idolatrous (and possibly hysterical) than demonic.
Leia Nutritious Murk wrote: » I'd class it as demonic ..but then I'm not a prod Where's Hinault when you need him .....I know he's on hols!
looksee wrote: » Why would you class it as demonic? Either it is an apparition, or it is people having some sort of hallucination brought on by religious fervour, or they are lying. What is demonic about any of that?
looksee wrote: » There seems to be quite a few problems with that explanation. Why would it be assumed that people seeing and (possibly) venerating an apparition is more of a distraction from God than seeing and (possibly) venerating a statue of Mary in a grotto?
Leia Nutritious Murk wrote: » They point people towards praying to "Mary" and as a result away from God. Anything seeking to usurp His place slis demonic in origin.
Leroy42 wrote: » So praying to the Saints is demonic? And by extension the church by making people saints are pointing people away from God? So Catholicism is effectively operating in direct opposition to Gods teaching and thus no matter how hard we all pray by being involved in the church we must be sinners! Wow, that is a sobering thought.
Leia Nutritious Murk wrote: » There's not !!:rolleyes:
looksee wrote: » There's not what?
