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If someone is over 18 and can't get a job for the summer it reasonable or unreasonable to think they might look to going to the UK to look for a job.
A response from a parent was..a they are too young!. How come it was all right in the 1970s and 1980s for an 18 year old to work for the summer in the UK or Germany in fact back in the 1980s, I know someone who lived in a tent while working in Germany for the summer because while they got a job they couldn't get accommodation. Then were no mobile phones then.

While the internet, mobile phones etc are great have they robed young people of their confidence.

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Winterlong

Generation Snowflake does not work on the building sites in london!

ohnonotgmail

well if you let your parents make your decisions for you then perhaps you are too young.

[Deleted User]

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

well if you let your parents make your decisions for you then perhaps you are too young.

Well an 18 year old does need to consult with their parents

Parents love their children and do worrier that they are doing alright. An 18 year old is an adult though and should be begining to make their own way in the world a bit.

The Backwards Man

When I was a wain, we could sew buttons on our shirts, darn our socks, pluck and clean out a duck for the dinner, make tae in a saucepan, make rhubarb jam, whitewash a barn, all before we were 14.

Young wans today are too young to go away, because they know fcuk all.

ohnonotgmail

mariaalice wrote: »

Well an 18 year old does need to consult with their parents Parents love their children and do worrier that they are doing alright. An 18 year old is an adult though and should be begining to make their own way in the world a bit.

and that is my point. the opinions of their parents should not be paramount. parents have always worried about their kids.

biko

Can you apply from here? If your parents know you have a job lined up they won't get so worried.

HensVassal

I went to work in New York for the summer when I was 17

beach_walker

They wouldn't survive. Was shocked recently to learn that two of my cousins (early twenties, in decent graduate jobs) livin' in the Big Shmoke don't do any washing. They take it in turns to do a run home every weekend to get the clothes cleaned and ironed. I said surely not stuff like towels etc. but was told (by their Mam) that they simply don't know how to operate the machine or what to do. They need a kick up the hole tbh.

They can't cook either and get food sent up to them.

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biko wrote: »

Can you apply from here? If your parents know you have a job lined up they won't get so worried.

That sums it up exactly the expectation that every thing can be sorted before you do anything, sometimes you have to wing it and you might fall flat on your face or you might have a great time, but you will never know until you try.

HensVassal

beach_walker wrote: »

They wouldn't survive. Was shocked recently to learn that two of my cousins (early twenties, in decent graduate jobs) livin' in the Big Shmoke don't do any washing. They take it in turns to do a run home every weekend to get the clothes cleaned and ironed. I said surely not stuff like towels etc. but was told (by their Mam) that they simply don't know how to operate the machine or what to do. They need a kick up the hole tbh.

They can't cook either and get food sent up to them.

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Badly Drunk Boy

Winterlong wrote: »

Generation Snowflake does not work on the building sites in london!

Back then, snowflakes were made of reinforced concrete!!

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

mariaalice wrote: »

Well an 18 year old does need to consult with their parents Parents love their children and do worrier that they are doing alright. An 18 year old is an adult though and should be begining to make their own way in the world a bit.

At 18, parents are there to advise, not make decisions.

You said the responce from a parent was "18 is too young" - are they talking about a specific 18-year-old or 18-year-olds in general? If the former, we can't really advise without knowing the 18yo. If the later, it's very narrow-minded thinking. Plenty of 18 year olds in all generations have done it, are doing and will continue to do it in the future.

At 18, a person is legally an adult and some parents need to cop on and realise that their authority has ended.

PARlance

mariaalice wrote: »

If someone is over 18 and can't get a job for the summer it reasonable or unreasonable to think they might look to going to the UK to look for a job.
A response from a parent was..a they are too young!. How come it was all right in the 1970s and 1980s for an 18 year old to work for the summer in the UK or Germany in fact back in the 1980s, I know someone who lived in a tent while working in Germany for the summer because while they got a job they couldn't get accommodation. Then were no mobile phones then.

While the internet, mobile phones etc are great have they robed young people of their confidence.

Thousands upon thousands of our youngsters are half way across the world and rather than robbing them of their confidence, technology is helping make that distance seem smaller. So no issue with our youth's willingness to travel.

The nature of employment has changed in the last 30-40 years in that there's a lot less casual work on offer and more red tape around that limited summer work in your example.

Cool story about the tent. Plenty people doing that in Europe at present. They're less "Irish Mammies Boy" and more "Refugee of some sort" though.

[Deleted User]

Life is harder in someway for younger people today, however it is the passivity of an 18 year old with no job hanging around dependent on a parent, college might not start till late September or October. That they could lack the confidence and skills to get a tent and a ruck sack and just go and see what would happen, as I said it could be a complete disaster or great experience much more likely to be a great experience.

Or maybe I have got this all wrong in someway.

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PARlance wrote: »

Thousands upon thousands of our youngsters are half way across the world and rather than robbing them of their confidence, technology is helping make that distance seem smaller. So no issue with our youth's willingness to travel.

The nature of employment has changed in the last 30-40 years in that there's a lot less casual work on offer and more red tape around that limited summer work in your example.

Cool story about the tent. Plenty people doing that in Europe at present. They're less "Irish Mammies Boy" and more "Refugee of some sort" though.

I think you are missing my point I am not talking about a JI. I was talking about an 18 year old who has just done the leaving and has no job.

ectoraige

beach_walker wrote: »

They wouldn't survive. Was shocked recently to learn that two of my cousins (early twenties, in decent graduate jobs) livin' in the Big Shmoke don't do any washing. They take it in turns to do a run home every weekend to get the clothes cleaned and ironed. I said surely not stuff like towels etc. but was told (by their Mam) that they simply don't know how to operate the machine or what to do. They need a kick up the hole tbh.

They can't cook either and get food sent up to them.

Bigger fool the Mam who didn't just hand them the washing machine manual first time they arrived back through the door.

Lollipops23

London is bloody expensive. Most 18 year olds I've met wouldn't survive it.

If they can fund it and won't need to fall back on Mammy and Daddy for a bailout, then more power to them.

not yet

HensVassal wrote: »

I went to work in New York for the summer when I was 17

Did you have an uncle Benjy in the cops over there..

qo2cj1dsne8y4k

Back in my day we would walk 3 miles to school in the snow with no feet

not yet

LexieOnRale wrote: »

Back in my day we would walk 3 miles to school in the snow with no feet

And lucky to get a bowl of stir about for dinner..

[Deleted User]

I always found it very easy to find jobs in my town at that age. For some reason none of my friends could find jobs ever. Don't think they looked hard enough. Or wanted to take dreaded 70hr week hotel work!

Anyway at 18 I can't see why you wouldn't go away to work for a summer. I would have done if I couldn't find a job, would crack up doing nothing all summer. My parents couldn't care less, 18 is not the same as 15! They had both moved out of home by the age of 16 anyway.

Joe_ Public

mariaalice wrote: »

If someone is over 18 and can't get a job for the summer it reasonable or unreasonable to think they might look to going to the UK to look for a job.
A response from a parent was..a they are too young!. How come it was all right in the 1970s and 1980s for an 18 year old to work for the summer in the UK or Germany in fact back in the 1980s, I know someone who lived in a tent while working in Germany for the summer because while they got a job they couldn't get accommodation. Then were no mobile phones then.

While the internet, mobile phones etc are great have they robed young people of their confidence.

Thalkirchen camp site was the place to go in Munich if you wanted cheap accomodation. And in fact if you wanted even cheaper (ie free) you just went to the haupbanhof, plonked your sleeping bag down on the ground and slept. Station was lovely and warm, the only downside being the local polizei who came and rousted you out at 6 in the mornings!

Akrasia

beach_walker wrote: »

They wouldn't survive. Was shocked recently to learn that two of my cousins (early twenties, in decent graduate jobs) livin' in the Big Shmoke don't do any washing. They take it in turns to do a run home every weekend to get the clothes cleaned and ironed. I said surely not stuff like towels etc. but was told (by their Mam) that they simply don't know how to operate the machine or what to do. They need a kick up the hole tbh.

They can't cook either and get food sent up to them.

This starts in college. Mammies telling their kids to come home every week, getting all their clothes cleaned and a bag full of food for the next week

When I went to college, I only came home once a month and that was just to be polite

Kids should be proud to grow up and parents should realise that their role is to prepare their kids for independent life.

Jawgap

As an 18 year old I spent a long summer working as a casual labourer in London - hand digging trenches in the City for the fibre optic network. Hard work, but loved it and loved the money and the beer!!

Honestly, if my now 18 year old son came to me and said he wanted to do the same thing, I'd probably roll on the floor laughing!!!

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LexieOnRale wrote: »

Back in my day we would walk 3 miles to school in the snow with no feet

The past is a foreign country; they do things differently there. I get that, however I was trying to conceptualise how things can change so much in one generation its possible that we are a now a more wealthy society and that is the answer.e

out of curiosity I look up seasonal work in the UK and came across one theme park hotel group that said priority will be give to applicants who fill in the application form correctly !!!!

[Deleted User]

Jawgap wrote: »

As an 18 year old I spent a long summer working as a casual labourer in London - hand digging trenches in the City for the fibre optic network. Hard work, but loved it and loved the money and the beer!!

Honestly, if my now 18 year old son came to me and said he wanted to do the same thing, I'd probably roll on the floor laughing!!!

We are old fogies though:p

HensVassal

mariaalice wrote: »

If someone is over 18 and can't get a job for the summer it reasonable or unreasonable to think they might look to going to the UK to look for a job.
A response from a parent was..a they are too young!. How come it was all right in the 1970s and 1980s for an 18 year old to work for the summer in the UK or Germany in fact back in the 1980s, I know someone who lived in a tent while working in Germany for the summer because while they got a job they couldn't get accommodation. Then were no mobile phones then.

While the internet, mobile phones etc are great have they robed young people of their confidence.

Plenty of people who work in bars in Amsterdam live on the campsite for the summer and then move on to GOA or Thailand in autumn.

HensVassal

not yet wrote: »

Did you have an uncle Benjy in the cops over there..

haha no,

But I did have a cousin Mike in the NYPD.

westcoast66

I went to Germany one summer when I was a 18 year old student - over 20 years ago now. No Job, no accommodation, it all worked out fine and I had a great time.

A friend of mine has a son who has just gone to NY on a J1. She arranged a job for him and is on the internet every night sorting out accommodation, funds, etc. Lunatics. My own ma did not hear from me for 2 months after I left!

razorblunt

I don't know about that Edinburgh is packed with Irish kids every summer working in the bars and all that. I'd say they'd go to the States sooner if it weren't for the 21 drinking rule too.