wp_rathead wrote: » Going to Independently Day 2, hopefully it cheers me up
Felix Jones is God wrote: » This weekend has been so bad I'm almost looking forward to logging on here tomorrow and seeing pages and pages of redacted GOT posts so as not to be able to see any more shïte
DGRulz wrote: » Every team I was supporting this weekend lost. All the various Irish teams and Team Remain.
DGRulz wrote: » So ... this has been a horrible weekend for Irish sport
swiwi_ wrote: » Don't think this forum should be preachy given Ireland had 2 goes at each of the Lisbon treaties IIRC. The moral high ground is barely more than a mound.
molloyjh wrote: » I think the problem here is around what exactly the Leave campaign were actually campaigning for. The selling points for a Leave vote should have consisted of a list of things that were going to happen as a result of the Leave vote. What was going to happen to trade, how was immigration going to be managed. Now it's certainly true that the Government should have had a plan for the Leave outcome, but exactly how do they form this plan? What exactly have the people in the UK voted for? We know what they've voted against, but do we know exactly what they want? Do they want to cut all ties with the EU and forego the free trade agreement etc? The Leave campaign should have had an alternative for people to vote for. They haven't. I think the point the commentator was making was that the Leave campaign should have had a desired outcome and the Government should have had a plan. Both came up with neither which is why he pointed to Sturgeon as the guy who has thought this through the most.
irishbucsfan wrote: » Don't they? Seems like you're getting ahead of yourself there a little bit.
irishbucsfan wrote: » TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: » Johnson and Gove were both eyeing up Cameron's job. It seems completely ludicrous that they don't have any kind of plan. Whether they were in a position to implement it or not is nearly irrelevant. Did they actually think Cameron was going to stay where he was and negotiate an exit he didn't want? The fact that nobody thought to ask who had a plan before the vote is ridiculous too. How can people make these decisions, or ask the public to make these decisions, with no long term plan in place? Don't they? Seems like you're getting ahead of yourself there a little bit.
TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: » Johnson and Gove were both eyeing up Cameron's job. It seems completely ludicrous that they don't have any kind of plan. Whether they were in a position to implement it or not is nearly irrelevant. Did they actually think Cameron was going to stay where he was and negotiate an exit he didn't want? The fact that nobody thought to ask who had a plan before the vote is ridiculous too. How can people make these decisions, or ask the public to make these decisions, with no long term plan in place?
irishbucsfan wrote: » Every single one of these things are up to the government. Noone on the other side have any control over any of those things. So unless you're asking the prime minister or a very senior government minister, it's a completely pointless question. At the moment it looks like the government didn't have a plan, but then they were mostly all in favour of the remaining in the EU. So it's not a remotely surprising answer to the question despite Sky's usual standards of commentary making it seem otherwise. In reality the only real variable that could make a difference right now would be the outgoing PM activating article 50 on his way out.
TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: » Well, when are they going to actually pull out, for starters. Who/where/when will negotiations regarding trade deals take place, have they already got provisional deals in the works? What's happening with Northern Ireland and the land border with the EU? How are they going to replace all the funding that the EU currently gives to various projects, payments to farmers, research grants etc. Even a vague timeline for these some of these things would be better than saying they've nothing at all.
irishbucsfan wrote: » What are you looking for exactly? What would such a plan consist of?
TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: » Maybe I missed it but I can't hear who they were asking it to. The government was being led by a man who didn't want to leave, and his party seems very much split on it. Surely those who wanted to leave should be the ones with a plan, Johnson and Gove, for example?
irishbucsfan wrote: » Asking anyone outside the government "what's the plan".
TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: » What's a thick question?
irishbucsfan wrote: » That's, frankly, a thick question. The only people who have any power to enact a plan are the government. The media have been depressingly useless over the past couple of days in their rush to generate as much content as they can out of the voids that have appeared in the leadership of the two major British parties.
TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: » Not sure who he was talking to on this one, but wow....https://twitter.com/PED7/status/747063871765086208 I don't know why they're surprised at the SNP being the most organised. The night the Scottish referendum results were coming in the experts were already saying that the only way there'd be another Independence referendum would be if Cameron gave the UK the EU referendum, which was already an almost certainty at that point. The SNP have probably had this sorted out and sitting ready a year ago.
Neil3030 wrote: » Yup. It is dispiriting how easily people get conned, but in a land of 60+ million people you are going to get some very very convincing sociopaths.
