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Eircode - its implemetation (merged)

beveragelady

I called An Post today to try to sort out a problem with deliveries. The customer service chap was very helpful and I think it all got sorted.
The thing is, I tried to give him my Eircode because I live at a vague rural address but he said that they're not using them because the system isn't set up.
Amazed!
It's bad enough that they're no good to users of satnavs or google maps, but this is just astonishing. Can anybody explain how this could have been launched to such fanfare when it's all but meaningless?

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plodder

oscarBravo wrote: »

Well, when the people who made those remarks think of something intelligent or factual to say, perhaps then we should start listening to them.

But, they have said plenty that is factual and intelligent. You keep focusing on the one off the cuff remark that wasn't. Though it's not my place to justify it one way or the other.

Sam Russell

Mod: I have moved discussion of Eircode design to a new thread called Eircode design. This thread is for implementation only.

sondagefaux

plodder wrote: »

On the off chance that these comments really weren't understood.

I'm not saying everyone should be able to use it at no cost. =

There should be some datasets that are free of charge (eg one that contains each Eircode, and the small area code for each). Other datasets like the ECAF and ECAD should remain pay for use.

...most importantly they need to pay over 200 euros. With the UK postcode they could do it for free... =

This is the kind of usage that should accommodated free of charge because people can extract that information from postcodes in other countries at no cost.

There is no inconsistency between the two statements in bold.

I hope that clears up any misunderstanding. Thank you for your attention!

Is 200 a significant cost to a group that's setting up a new national school in Dublin?

sondagefaux

[font=Georgia, serif]Farmers have been urged to use their Eircodes and smartphone apps to help emergency services locate them during serious accidents, writes Darragh McCullough.[/font]

[font=Georgia, serif]While use of the Eircode system is still low, ambulance teams said that the system had to potential to save lives.
"We've lost valuable time going up and down country roads trying to locate farmyards during critical incidents," said Kieran Henry, who works as a paramedic with both ground and air rescue services in Cork and Athlone.
He was addressing farmers who attended a farm safety and accident training day near Currans in Kerry last week. Farmers learned what to do if they encountered victims of serious falls, cuts, crushes or slurry gas poisoning, alongside medics who were also being trained on how to deal with farming accidents.
However, organisers were keen to stress the importance of locating an incident for outsiders.
"Eircodes are a fail-safe way of being able to find a location regardless of landmarks, and even if a farmer doesn't really use it or know it off by heart, it should be written or taped to the back of a phone so that it can always be accessed," he said.
Smartphone apps that relay a person's exact whereabouts are an even more powerful solution according to Mr Henry.
"The problem for farmers is that many accidents happen out in the field well away from the farmyard. Any app that shares an exact location with first responders is a big help."
One such app is 112 Where Are U, which will call emergency services, and let them know the caller is in trouble even if they are unable to speak. It also automatically sends location information and any other personal data that the dialler has in-putted. "This can also be important because with electric gates may be preventing access to a premises, so having somebody else familiar with the site can be very important," said Mr Henry.[/font]

[font=Georgia, serif]http://www.independent.ie/business/farming/smartphone-apps-and-eircodes-could-save-lives-34796811.html[/font]

chewed

I just got my motor tax disc in the post and it had my Eircode on the address!

ukoda

https://twitter.com/safetyireland/status/745973989378514948

ukoda

https://twitter.com/tallaghtambo/status/745599889342599168

ukoda

There are now 400 individual companies licensing eircode in Ireland

TheChizler

I'm convinced that Get Lost Eircode account is a parody at this stage.

ukoda

TheChizler wrote: »

I'm convinced that Get Lost Eircode account is a parody at this stage.

The bit that gets me the most is the "eircode will cost lives" nonsense.

No it won't. It hasn't deteriorated or hindered the emergency services, and in a high proportion of cases it could significantly improve the response time.

And I hope people have figured out who that account belongs to by now. They got caught out on Twitter when they accidentally posted as themselves instead of the Get Lost account. Let's just say that the account is run by a very close friend and former colleague of a certain someone who owns a certain other coding system for ireland.

medoc

I notice Dominos are using Eircode when ordering online now.

BailMeOut

medoc wrote: »

I notice Dominos are using Eircode when ordering online now.

using eircode for pizza delivery has to be the big no brainier of them all!

just wish home heating would do the same. Six years ordering from same company and they still call for directions.

[Deleted User]

BailMeOut wrote: »

using eircode for pizza delivery has to be the big no brainier of them all!

just wish home heating would do the same. Six years ordering from same company and they still call for directions.

Give it time, no brainers need brains to implement in the first place. It usually needs someone to suggest it to the boss.

a65b2cd

Happy first birthday Eircode!

MBSnr

a65b2cd wrote: »

Happy first birthday Eircode!

Wonder how many candles will be on the cake before it works in Google Maps..

sondagefaux

jesseps wrote: »

So how does one order stuff or get stuff sent to Ireland from abroad, seeing for me I gave people out my address in a North American format?

FIRST NAME LAST NAME
NUMBER STREET NAME
APARTMENT NUMBER
CITY/TOWN (PHIBSBOROUGH or DUBLIN) PROVINCE (LEINSTER) POSTAL CODE (DUBLIN 7 or D07 W---)
COUNTRY

I can only hope An Post, UPS, FedEX and others can figure it out.

Doesn't seem to hard to figure out at all.

FIRST NAME LAST NAME: Joe Bloggs
NUMBER STREET NAME 75 Any Street
APARTMENT NUMBER Apt. 100
CITY/TOWN PROVINCE POSTCODE Dublin 7 XXXX D07 X12B
COUNTRY: IRELAND

You can probably leave the province part blank - if not, put in XXXX or something.

On an address label it would look like this:

Joe Bloggs
75 Any Street
Apt. 100
Dublin 7
XXXX
D07 X12B
IRELAND

or like this:

Joe Bloggs
75 Any Street
Apt. 100
Dublin 7
D07 X12B
IRELAND

How would any delivery company, An Post or otherwise, have a problem with that? :blink:

plodder

Well, what do you know. I just received a package delivered by An Post to a non-unique address with an Eircode. Some postmen are using it, it seems.

Just noticed also that the Eircode finder displays "normal" geographic addresses by default now and you have to click to get the "official" postal address. So, Shannon airport has been repatriated to Co. Clare. Kilcullen Co. Kildare is no longer part of the Curragh Camp.

ukoda

I believe there's a new TV ad for eircode that promotes using it for calls to emergency services. I haven't seen it myself yet though

Sam Russell

It was on the radio today.

It would be great to improve the use of Eircode in Rural areas. The emergency services is one area that would find it more than just useful.

BowWow

Got a letter from AIB this morning, my address on letter now shows Eircode. They must be updating centrally as I never gave it to them.

[Deleted User]

Sam Russell wrote: »

It was on the radio today.

It would be great to improve the use of Eircode in Rural areas. The emergency services is one area that would find it more than just useful.

There has been a radio Ad ever since day one, I remember hearing it last summer.

ukoda

[Deleted User] wrote: »

There has been a radio Ad ever since day one, I remember hearing it last summer.

This is a new Ad, not the original one. This one is apparently specifically about Ambulances

medoc

Not sure if it was said here before but Ebay don't seem to accepting them. I was adding a new delivery address to my Ebay account. It had a eircode field. But wouldn't accept the R35 (Tullamore area) Eircode as valid no matter how I put it in. It accepted a 0000.

TheChizler

Could be worth letting them know!

medoc

TheChizler wrote: »

Could be worth letting them know!

Yes good point. Strange that it wouldn't accept the Eircode but would accept a random 0000. Ebay must do some sort of check to see what was input and decided it wasn't valid. Maybe it thought it was a uk postcode and rejected it as invalid. Even though Offaly was in the county drop down box.

DubTony

I had a small package delivered by post from England the other day. It took 16 days from the day the guy posted it.
When it arrived, it had my Eircode scribbled out. A hand written 16 (I live on the Dublin 16/24 border) scribbled out and 24 written in beside it.

The postman thought it humorous enough that he knocked on the door and laughing, he suggested I not use the Eircode anymore as the machines in An Post couldn't understand it.

Maybe he wan't joking.

ukoda

https://twitter.com/autoaddress/status/756783877205655552

a65b2cd

Eamon Ryan (Dublin Bay South, Green Party)
Last week, a survey showed that only 5% of the public use their Eircode on letter post.

Mr. Dermot Divilly:
Yes, less than 5%.

Eamon Ryan (Dublin Bay South, Green Party)
Of the commercial operators, the people that An Post must compete with in the delivery system, only 4% use the Eircode. Has Mr. Divilly any sense from An Post as to whether the use of the code has been a success or what benefits or otherwise it has brought?

Mr. Dermot Divilly:
The Deputy probably knows a lot about this matter having been a Minister for communications. He will know that it was very much the Department and Capita that ran the initiative. At this moment in time there is certainly co-operation by An Post because that was requested and I would think that they are working towards same. The Deputy will know that the scheme was set up around the post office deliveries. The scheme is not that relevant to An Post at the moment because of the small number of people using the code.

Eamon Ryan (Dublin Bay South, Green Party)
As I recall, there was a hope that savings would be made but then that was disputed. Originally, An Post said the scheme would cost An Post.

Mr. Dermot Divilly:
If usage increased it would help sequencing on the roadways and that kind of thing. At the moment the volumes are so small that it is not that relevant. It is an infrastructural project. I know from experience that such projects have a slow start but over time it will work out fine.

Eamon Ryan (Dublin Bay South, Green Party)
Does Mr. Divilly think there is a concern in FMCG, from his experience of running many businesses, that the numbers are not memorable. The number connects to post office sorting offices rather than counties and have four random numbers. Therefore, the numbers are so random that people will never be able to remember them.

Mr. Dermot Divilly:
I was not around when that was being done so I shall leave that question.

Hildegarde Naughton (Galway West, Fine Gael)
Does Deputy Bríd Smith have any questions? No. I wish to ask a question on Eircodes. Has Eircode made An Post's business any easier? Mr. Divilly has stated that the sorting centres are very efficient and effective.

Mr. Dermot Divilly:
Technology has surpassed Eircode and allows addresses to be read. As Deputy Ryan has said, less than 5% of people use their Eircode number. Usage of Eircode is slowly growing.
People's experience is that it is an investment for the future and it will take time.

Hildegarde Naughton (Galway West, Fine Gael)
I thank Mr. Divilly for coming here this evening for a worthwhile debate. On behalf of the select committee, I wish him well. His experience in business makes him very well qualified for his role, especially at such a critical time for An Post. I propose that we forward the transcript of today's discussion to the Minister for Communications, Energy and Natural Resources for his information and consideration.

Giacomo McGubbin

Only in Ireland could they fail to introduce postcode for 50 years and then make a shambolic mess of it when they do.

chewed

So, I emailed the Garmin Tech support last week to try and find out any update on eircodes with their sat navs....

Dear xxxxxxx

Thank you for contacting Garmin Europe.

First of all, please accept our apologies for not answering your email in the time we quoted on our website. Due to an unforeseeable high volume of emails and calls we’ve received this has led to a backlog, which we’ve been working hard to restore to our usual service levels.

Garmin is aware of Ireland’s new postal code system, called Eircode. This system has not yet been incorporated into City Navigator mapping. We are working to establish a solution in order to provide the Eircode search capability in our devices.

Eircodes are formatted and structured differently than postal codes in other countries. Garmin is collaborating with our map data provider to determine how we can best offer the use of Eircodes to our customers.
If there is anything else I can help you with then please let me know. Alternatively you can search for a solution here: http://www.garmin.co.uk/support

Kind regards,

Bradley

Garmin Europe