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17-06-2016 10:46pm#1Insomniac Games working with Sony to launch a new wave of Marvel Comics games. No more movie tie-ins (except for possible dlc to coincide with films/comics) as they want propery devilpment cycles and not rush anything.
Some details from the dev in the blog below.
http://blog.us.playstation.com/2016/06/13/insomniacs-new-ps4-exclusive-spider-man-game-revealed-first-trailer/
Dev confirmed all in-game footage used for the trailer
Marvel did interviews about their plans. Sounds promising.
Notes taken from neogafJay's team is specifically focused on console-style games for Marvel. The mobile and social stuff is already hitting it out of the park, so his group is dedicated to making their console games great again.
Insomniac/Sony's Spider-Man series will be the only console Spider-Man series going forward. They want to find excellent teams and then dedicate the IPs to them so they can focus on quality. That's not to say Spider-Man can't be in a cross-over game, but you won't see something like Activision console Spider-Man games coming out alongside these. Jay explicitly says "The future of the Spider-Man console games is with Sony and Insomniac."
Movie tie-in games are over for Marvel. This is the same as their mobile strategy. All games will be given lengthy development cycles with all the budget they need and have no concerns about hitting a specific date tied to a movie/comic book/whatever. Marvel is very clear that developers cannot be rushed or underfunded if they're going to make great games.
That said, Jay notes that on the mobile side, the games tend to have tie-in events when films or certain initiatives like Women of Marvel launch. He doesn't explicitly commit to this happening on the console side, since it probably varies a lot per game, but don't be super shocked if you have downloadable skins or DLC for a game when a movie or comic book initiative comes out, especially if it's a living product.
When asked about whether Marvel's console games will have cross-overs and cameos like the films do, he states "The world's full of surprises. You never know."
Jay notes that in the past, they used to take about 30% of console game opportunities that are presented to them. These days it's more like 10%.
He's also clear that Marvel will only work with developers who they think will make excellent, top tier titles instead of just "good" games. So far their two publicly announced partners are Insomniac and Telltale. He speaks very fondly of the LEGO games, but IIRC that's run out of the mobile licensing division.
Marvel will also only work with developers who are clearly very excited about the IP itself instead of just the IP's money making potential. He notes that he can usually tell within the first 30 seconds if someone is actually passionate about the IP in question.
There's an implication that the publishing partner is also important to them. I imagine this is especially true for retail games.
Jay mentions that the success of the films and the success of their top mobile games, along with the break away from the movie game model, has resulted in way more developers being interested in working with them. He mentions that developers have even gotten more open to the idea during his two year tenure as titles like Marvel: Contest of Champions have crossed $200 million.
As for working with Insomniac specifically, Jay mentions that they're only 10 minutes away from the studio and 10 minutes away from Sony as well, so that they're in contact every day, which they think is very helpful for getting their new initiative going well. They also openly admit that Spider-Man is the most commercially successful superhero so they're more than happy to start with him.
Jay notes they have several other console games in development that will be revealed over the upcoming years. I probably wouldn't expect an immediate impending announcement (beyond perhaps unveiling Telltale's game) since he wasn't teasing any more reveals soon.3
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are the Spider-Man games any good?
genuinely the last one I played was this
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Release date '2018'....
Looking really cool but I'm not sold on the swinging yet, it looks slow and stiff in the e3 demo.
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Can't remember where I seen it but the devs had said the QTEs are only in the game sparingly and are used to showcase blockbuster-type moments.
Hopefully and it's not just the developer backtracking. They were pretty awful in the footage shown, no real context to them or reason for them to exist. It reminded me of that older spiderman game whose name escapes me, possibly for the third film where they had QTEs for QTEs sake.
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Yeah the QTEs in Spider-Man 3 were awful, especially after coming from how great Spider-Man 2 was.
I can see the dev's point, because for example in the gameplay shown with the crane falling, how can you possibly do that purely through gameplay without a QTE? Or going through the smashed billboard through a tiny gap? You either end up having to completely slow down time to allow for you to do it yourself through actual gameplay, or make it so easy that it's no longer as cinematic. Or not have any controller input at all and it just switches to doing it itself automatically but if you have multiple instances of that in one section, it becomes tiresome and boring.
It's a fine line, but I really hope they pull it off.
I'm ok with QTEs but these ones are just so lazy. It's the same button press action for everything. I mean they could have some fun to them, different QTEs for different actions that actually have a bearing on what is going on and at least try to simulate what is going on.
Like instead of having spidey shoot a web by timing a button press have time slow down and let the player aim at a big pulsating target. I should be a lazy game designer but then I think I'm not lazy enough for these guys.J. Marston wrote: »QTE's get too much stick. They're fine as long as the whole game isn't using them (Heavy Rain, Beyond: Two Souls).
They can add awesome cinematic moments to games, like in God of War.
I think Heavy Rain and God of War do it right, the QTEs have context to the actions.
Beyond however simplified everything and it was done poorly in my book along with being one of the worst games I played last generation.
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Come now, Retr0, do you really think you're the only one to think of doing that? Would you not consider that maybe someone on the team suggested it and it was voted down? Or it was discarded because of time constraints? Or, perhaps most likely, was prototyped and found to slow down the action too frequently in set-piece heavy scenarios?
I was trying to be humourous but I think my point still stands, that there's really no excuse for this kind of bad lazy design and I refuse to think there's no better way to do it. Maybe it's time/budget constraints but then again that's bad management and doesn't excuse it.And that method runs the risk of losing momentum from the action sequence. I don't think either method is automatically worse than the other or lazy, it's how it's implemented and how often.
I think it's better than what is currently shown because from my perspective there's no flow, the cutscenes might as well not have QTEs. Press X to continue the cinematic, I wouldn't be surprised if it ends up there's no fail state for a lot of them.
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Time and budget constraints aren't necessarily the result of bad management though, they're both finite resources and if engineers had to implement every idea which came from design they'd never ship anything. Maybe there is a better way to do it but I wouldn't automatically blame the designers at Insomniac, and I certainly wouldn't call them lazy, for not being able to solve a problem that's existed for at least two console generations now. Then again...Retr0gamer wrote: »I was trying to be humourous but I think my point still stands, that there's really no excuse for this kind of bad lazy design and I refuse to think there's no better way to do it. Maybe it's time/budget constraints but then again that's bad management and doesn't excuse it.
...perspective is indeed important because, like I said before Penn posted similarly, slowing down the action in order to give the player enough time to move a reticule over a particular area would kill the momentum in certain scenes. With momentum being synonymous with Spider-Man's character movement, I'd argue that losing that would be bad design more so than relying on a QTE which is at least more indicative of the reactions necessary in those kinds of scenarios.Retr0gamer wrote: »I think it's better than what is currently shown because from my perspective there's no flow, the cutscenes might as well not have QTEs. Press X to continue the cinematic, I wouldn't be surprised if it ends up there's no fail state for a lot of them.
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