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So is Croke Park gone for the ASTI then?

evolving_doors

So is that that then, if they are awarding 'pay increases' to the TUI and 'pay deductions' to the ASTI then I take it Croke park is gone for ASTI?

The Department of Education is planning to implement pay freezes for members of the Association of Secondary Teachers of Ireland (ASTI) by asking rival union members to sign a consent form to avail of pay increases.

A circular is expected to be issued shortly which will detail how the department plans to implement pay deductions triggered by the ASTI’s decision to reject working additional hours.

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/education/department-of-education-to-implement-pay-freezes-for-asti-teachers-1.2688067 *

Just wondering on what basis could they with-hold increments if they had an agreement themselves to end CP this June?
The article is it's usual garbled self, but are they implying that by awarding a pay increase to the TUI then that as taken as a pay-cut to the ASTI.. or is there further pay cuts on the way to the ASTI.

*Baring in mind where the article is coming from and it's usual threatening undertones to the 'baaad teachers'.

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feardeas wrote: »

Nobody can be surprised. This is what they said they would do. It could be a winter of discontent.

AFIK we, the ASTI, are taking strike action over the junior cycle anyway. I assume if the payment for S and S isn't forthcoming then there will be a ballot about withdrawing from that. If that is passed then there is, I assume, the distinct possibility that the schools will have to close.

Hope there's a grand plan somewhere lads.

It's just getting more and more tangled, it's like trying to compare phone plans for most people, each time the dept. seems intent on highlighting the split between TUI and ASTI and muddying the waters. One union could really sort it all out and hit the reset button.

feardeas

Nobody can be surprised. This is what they said they would do. It could be a winter of discontent.

AFIK we, the ASTI, are taking strike action over the junior cycle anyway. I assume if the payment for S and S isn't forthcoming then there will be a ballot about withdrawing from that. If that is passed then there is, I assume, the distinct possibility that the schools will have to close.

Hope there's a grand plan somewhere lads.

evolving_doors

And also... does that mean that if/when Croke park is eventually done away with that the ASTI members will get the 800 along with the TUI, but the only difference is that the TUI members will have to keep doing the hours as per the agreement?

TheDriver

On a side note, this addition to payscale 800, is it added onto the patscale and paid forever more coz the wording from dept website is addition to payscale buts others are saying once off?

theLuggage

Gebgbegb wrote: »

I'm not too sure if there is an actual vote, if no-one cares then it probably wont be. Btu what I do know is that 'Before the end of June each year, the Minister for Public Expenditure is legally required to lay before the Dáil a report justifying the 'need' for extending the emergency legislation known as FEMPI'.

So I'd urge everyone to send a simple email to their local TD's and ask where they stand on the issue. Takes 2 minutes... https://www.whoismytd.com/

Done!

evolving_doors

km79 wrote: »

done but like everything else the number of emails sent will probably barely hit double figures
teachers like to complain but do nothing about it

Maybe on a national level, but when it comes down to it all politics is local in Ireland. There are a ton of swing voters in the last election (many teachers I had spoken to too) when pressed they all felt it would be because of local representation more so than tradition voting lines. If one of the several Td's gives me a satisfactory answer then they got my vote... But more importantly I'll be telling everyone else what they said.
Next election mightn't be that far away yet.
The worst thing we could do is let FEMPI trundle along while it's imposing nonsense on our profession, I've put on the green jersey for long enough now and gotten nothing but dogs abuse for being a teacher. To heck with public opinion.

km79

Gebgbegb wrote: »

I'm not too sure if there is an actual vote, if no-one cares then it probably wont be. Btu what I do know is that 'Before the end of June each year, the Minister for Public Expenditure is legally required to lay before the Dáil a report justifying the 'need' for extending the emergency legislation known as FEMPI'.

So I'd urge everyone to send a simple email to their local TD's and ask where they stand on the issue. Takes 2 minutes... https://www.whoismytd.com/

done but like everything else the number of emails sent will probably barely hit double figures
teachers like to complain but do nothing about it

evolving_doors

deiseindublin wrote: »

FEMPI is being voted on any day, isn't it?

Even reading this thread title makes me feel SO LET DOWN by the TUI. Still a kick in the gut to see how our >80% went to a <50%.

It seems clear cut in single union schools but you'd wonder how they'll administer the cuts in dual union schools.

I'm not too sure if there is an actual vote, if no-one cares then it probably wont be. Btu what I do know is that 'Before the end of June each year, the Minister for Public Expenditure is legally required to lay before the Dáil a report justifying the 'need' for extending the emergency legislation known as FEMPI'.

So I'd urge everyone to send a simple email to their local TD's and ask where they stand on the issue. Takes 2 minutes... https://www.whoismytd.com/

evolving_doors

deiseindublin wrote: »

FEMPI is being voted on any day, isn't it?

Even reading this thread title makes me feel SO LET DOWN by the TUI. Still a kick in the gut to see how our >80% went to a <50%.

It seems clear cut in single union schools but you'd wonder how they'll administer the cuts in dual union schools.

Going by the article it would appear that those who want the 'pay increase' have to sign up for it.
But does this mean that those who don't sign up stay the same... or get a further pay cut?

deiseindublin

FEMPI is being voted on any day, isn't it?

Even reading this thread title makes me feel SO LET DOWN by the TUI. Still a kick in the gut to see how our >80% went to a <50%.

It seems clear cut in single union schools but you'd wonder how they'll administer the cuts in dual union schools.

km79

Gebgbegb wrote: »

So is that that then, if they are awarding 'pay increases' to the TUI and 'pay deductions' to the ASTI then I take it Croke park is gone for ASTI?

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/education/department-of-education-to-implement-pay-freezes-for-asti-teachers-1.2688067 *

*Baring in mind where the article is coming from and it's usual threatening undertones to the 'baaad teachers'.

Lovely stuff !
Further pay deductions under FEMPI they say .........FEMPI could be gone next month
Anyway I'll gladly takes those pay freezes in exchange for more family time !