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AES Waste introducing Pay By Weight (PBW)

Agent_47

Got the letter this week as probably did most of the residents serviced by AES to indicate the introduction of PBW by 1 July 2016.

Not impressed by the wording in the literature that appears to indicate a portion of the charge will be attributable to general waste (grey bin), Recyclable (blue bin) and compost bin (brown carry bin).

In response to my questions to AES I got the following replies.

1.At the moment AES cannot indicate what the charge will be. They will only know and indicate the charges in March / April in advance of this introduction date.

2. They cannot confirm if the charge per Kg will be the same for all residents as they do not know yet.

3. They cannot confirm if there is a lift charge, so if I do not put the bin out I won't be charged.

My guess is that they get X€ in revenue and will base a households charge per Kg on the history of that houses waste profile to ensure they do not lose revenue.
I have a problem with this historic charge profile in that it takes no account of the here and now depending on a households changing of its waste segregation. I could be paying more per Kg than my neighbour and vise versa for the same weight!

I have a problem with the collection process as well. Most people recycle into the blue bin, therefore the grey bin contains less waste, therefore one would imagine AES would and should see that the blue bin needs collecting weekly and the grey bin bi-weekly. AES have not changed and collect as they always have the grey bin weekly even though mine does be less than half full!

So my policy will change from this week. I am only putting the grey bin out bi-weekly and will monitor online how it gets reflected in the waste recording as my blue bin was missed one week but they put a token weight into the system.

I am on a 140 litre bin BTW and can see me cancelling this service after the bottle bin is lifted. To be honest, these 140/240 litre bins are space invaders and I may revert to local recycling in the recycling centre but don't know where I would get rid of the 6 to 7 kg of general waste per week?

any thoughts or suggestions? the service costs 23.5 / month or €282 for this household, money I would rather have in my pocket with less bins.

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Ash.J.Williams

I had my first dealings with AES and i must say it's been worse than a dogs dinner. We only persisted because they have our money, it's been such a massive pain in the ring getting started that i'd be very surprised if they can manage a bin collection.

It appears to be a one man and his dog operation so far and not sure which one mans the phone!

Vicxas

I got a text from AES:

"From July first your price plan will remain the same. You can switch to pay by weight by visiting the website"

So looks like AES are definitely freezing their prices for now at least.

Agent_47

Back by popular demand

http://waterfordwhispersnews.com/2016/06/20/government-announce-sequel-to-irish-water/

FG Compentency is at an all time low. Expect the protests to start soon.

adelcrowsmel

Well looks like there is at least going to be a price freeze for a year listening to news reports on the radio this morning.

Agent_47

Vego wrote: »

Most major media ?

Token headliners but no substance to any of this. Someone is mulling over the weekend, just cannot tell who is.

Anyway,
* my last two bins are primed to go,
* birds though I hate them are/will getting a good feed,
* Recycle bags lined up
* Composters emptied to allow for new stuff to go in.
* General waste bag of about 1.5 kg this week, stored

Vego

Agent_47 wrote: »

Where's your source of information?.

Most major media ?

Agent_47

Vego wrote: »

Looks like pbw suspended till at least next year while a full review is undertaken ......fill those bins ppl!!!!!

Where's your source of information? Still won't change my plan as am cancelling next week. I have enough of the charges and simply don't trust them.

Have a huge competency issue with FG, after the water fiasco (bills are still issuing!) they still cannot get the basics right. The sooner they are out of Government the better.

Vego

Looks like pbw suspended till at least next year while a full review is undertaken ......fill those bins ppl!!!!!

Fiskar

Vego wrote: »

I only paid my annual charge last month lift every week etc .....does that stay on until renewal or will I be getting a letter in the post soon telling me I have to pay more per lift ?

You'll be getting letter, 1st July is the 1st July, these waste companies don't give a rats.

notsobusy

We cancelled our contract with Oxigen. Our neighbour up the road has the Panda bins but they won't pick up our bins because our address is with Oxigen. Totally fecking ridiculous. There's no competition anywhere! I'll have to go crawling back to Oxigen.

Vego

I only paid my annual charge last month lift every week etc .....does that stay on until renewal or will I be getting a letter in the post soon telling me I have to pay more per lift ?

Agent_47

adelcrowsmel wrote: »

You are right, no charge for the blue bin. Let's hope Leo Varadkar's meeting with these companies helps curb the new pricing structures mentioned previously!!!

Its not Leo meeting with the waste companies, it is Simon Coveney!

adelcrowsmel

Fingers Mcginty wrote: »

Am i right in saying that there is no charge for collecting the recyclable blue bin at the moment? Was thinking about getting a second blue bin

You are right, no charge for the blue bin. Let's hope Leo Varadkar's meeting with these companies helps curb the new pricing structures mentioned previously!!!

Fingers Mcginty

Am i right in saying that there is no charge for collecting the recyclable blue bin at the moment? Was thinking about getting a second blue bin

brcwatters

Thanks - yes, think AES are our only option.

Agent_47

brcwatters wrote: »

We have always just put out a bag every few weeks and brought the recycling to the centre (or given it to the in-laws who wanted to fill up their bin). No need for a green waste bin.

So our only option now is to get a bin right? Can you bring general rubbish to the recycling centre? Must start phoning around. In the countryside around Kells - not even sure what our options are. I think our bags used to be Midland Waste but not sure are they still around? Think the trucks I see around are AES...

AES Irl took over Midland Waste. You have no option but to take a bin, my neighbours have the same issue, used the blue bags but they are no longer being sold. General waste is not accepted at recycling centres.

brcwatters

We have always just put out a bag every few weeks and brought the recycling to the centre (or given it to the in-laws who wanted to fill up their bin). No need for a green waste bin.

So our only option now is to get a bin right? Can you bring general rubbish to the recycling centre? Must start phoning around. In the countryside around Kells - not even sure what our options are. I think our bags used to be Midland Waste but not sure are they still around? Think the trucks I see around are AES...

ShooterSF

Parents have not taken it well :pac: Getting the front yard paved, talking about it before to make an extra parking space. Now talking about graveling the backyard too. Do away with all grass cuttings. Dunno what they plan to do with the food waste as they're adamant not getting a "fourth f**kin bin" and the law is it can't go in the general waste.

sept09baby

Panda AES Thorntons
Standing Charge 9.83 15.00 8.00
Per Kilo 22.16 20.00 28.00
Additional Lift Charge 6.40
Total Monthly Charge 38.39 35.00 36.00

Panda got back to me.

Above table is based on 2 lifts of 40kg per month (compost bin is excluded from my calculations as it's not available in my area)

Fiskar

I made an enquiry with Panda, said they don't cover my part of Navan.
I get these riculous prices from Allied Waste who do cover my area.

Charges under the new system will be as follows...
MONTHLY SERVICE CHARGE €12
¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬¬
Waste Bin Recycling Bin Compost Bin

29 cent per kg FREE 19 cent per kg

The weekly service charge can be paid monthly, the bins will be weighed on collection and charged at the kilogram rate above.

You will always need to have at least €30.00 credit on your account to have your bin collected.

sept09baby

Anyone know what Panda will be charging? No details on the website

https://www.panda.ie/news/information-on-pay-by-weight.html

Agent_47

Yeah, gets even worse, I went online to view my account, last two weekly general waste lifts were between 24 and 28 kg, the latest biweekly was 30 Kg. That plus the compost bin if used for grass cuttings will push my bill north towards €500. Pay €285 at the moment.

Am closing the account next week and going to the recycle centre, pay the old lad a few euro for the general waste as this is going to blow up, mark my words.

scudzilla

Agent_47 wrote: »

Just got the list of charges, my cost will go from 282 euro for the smallest bin to 340 euro based on these figures from AES Irl.

The service charge is €90 for six months or €15 per month.

· Waste bin = 25 cent per KG

· Recycling bin = 0 cent per KG

· Organic bin = 15 cent per KG

· Glass Bin = 0 cent per KG

What are other providers charging?

Christ, my last bin weighed 88kg (weight is already on my account even though i 'just' payed the 12euro charge, that would make this lift 22euro :eek::eek:

Agent_47

Just got the list of charges, my cost will go from 282 euro for the smallest bin to 340 euro based on these figures from AES Irl.

The service charge is €90 for six months or €15 per month.

· Waste bin = 25 cent per KG

· Recycling bin = 0 cent per KG

· Organic bin = 15 cent per KG

· Glass Bin = 0 cent per KG

What are other providers charging?

Agent_47

Well here is an update on how I am getting on or rather how it is not working for me.

The compost bin because of the grass cuttings is full after just one week. The general waste bin is full after just a week this time and I have to wait until Tuesday week for it to be emptied. With 3 bins rotating every other week it is a bloody mess. I may bite the bullet and drop the waste contract and use the recycling centre.

Agent_47

Well, I got my compost wheelie bin today, but it is already full from one cut of the grass back and front. My general waste bin is 3/4 full and is due for collection until next week, great service, well thought out. :rolleyes:

Was told in Jan that by April the price plan would be known, now we nearly in June with no detail. Want to change supplier every year just to piss them off and get a fresh wheelie.

Agent_47

Neighbour of mine says they were told the plastic bags will be obsolete by July and that they have to take a bin in order to have their waste taken away. The only option is the flat service charge and a charge for each lift or take the fully service option currently €282 a year for the smallest bin. This person has a holiday home here so could be caught twice as well as having a small amount of general waste.

Anyone have a legal route for the general waste aspect as everything else can be brought to the recycling centre?

Anyone gone half and half with their neighbour on a bin?

Fiskar

Some of my neighbours use the bin bags. How much do they cost as there must be no service contract?
I reckon apart from the recyclables I have probably 10 kg of waste a week.
I too will look to change when these charges come in.

Ally Dick

I'll never put my cut grass into the black bin again. I'll drop it up to Mullaghboy instead, otherwise I'll be crippled with the charge

PauloMN

maik3n wrote: »

hehe, was kind of mulling over whether to try that ole cancellation trick alright but wasn't sure that it would work.
Sure why not, I will give it at lash now.

It does, every year I ring and pay over the phone and I have the same conversation every time. They'd much rather you pay €285 than lose you as a customer.