RightTurnClyde wrote: » :), I'm not worked up. But, if Aidan Brennan came out and said that the majority of farmers aren't doing OAD, so OAD doesn't work, I doubt you would consider it good journalism.
browned wrote: » I honestly wouldn't give a ****. I know my system works for me so why should I let the opinion of others bother me.
darragh_haven wrote: » If it won't come from within the industry.... its outside interference. I presume that interfernce will be on an EU scale. I can see there being a **** storm in the Irish dairy industry that the return of quotas won't sort out. Either way there will be lots of casualties similar to what your seeing in the French dairy industry atm
Dawggone wrote: » I wouldn't call it outside interference, more like a leader that stands up and points out the fact that the Irish (NZ) system is always going to be bottom of the pile pricewise and there is a better way through innovation etc. Dr. O Reilly did it before... There's a shake up here at farm level, mostly due to economics, demographics and lifestyle. Farmers here don't and won't do the persistence/resilience style of business as Mr. Brady espoused in his article. Friend of mine from the heart of dairy country tells me that a 190ha trophy farm is for sale because the son couldn't be bothered. I wouldn't allow a son of mine to pledge himself to the 10yr business model of Mr. Brady...I wonder would Mr. Brady slave like that himself? I doubt it. France Germany and Poland are pressurising the EU for production controls. I hope big Phil holds his ground.
stretch film wrote: » You paid for the research and having it dispensed to you. If you did all your own reading up on international resrarch on oad then the least you were entitled to was that your advisor was as well versed .
Timmaay wrote: » Talking about rubbish printed in the newspapers, this article in the findo makes me not want to even bother looking inside it ever again.
jaymla627 wrote: » He won't have any lightbulb moments himself until his 'clients' dispense of his services our simply haven't the money to pay him, I'd say he could be after leading a lot of gullible lads up the garden path re dairy expansion/more numbers/high borrowings etc but he won't tell us that in any of his articles of how they're struggling our have switched to interest only loans
Milked out wrote: » I can see both sides of the argument. A lot depends on the cow or system you have. The issue with the article I find is there are plenty of caveats which should be included when giving out advice like that. First and foremost is that you would want to have after grass quality grass in front of cows and plenty of it in order to cut meal while still in the breeding season imo. Cutting it with some paddocks stemmy or a bit stemmy would hit yield and eventually condition too hard. Previously I used to cut back on meal to get the cows to clean these paddocks but now I actually up in order to reduce or prevent loss in yield and cows still clean it out as much as they can. The second is cow type, and by association cow condition, they are talking about the average cow in terms of yield and response but they must realise the xbred is far from the average cow, and they are possibly the only cows to be bred to maintain condition on grass alone at this stage in the year anyway. No point cutting out ration only to have to feed it to cows on the dry period which they have often advised. On the response it depends on a few things stage of lactation being one of them. I find here anyway the later in to lactation the better the response particularly as grass energy levels from in autumn.I had planned on cutting back meal for autumn calvers here, calving in 0ctober, but they are still keeping toe to toe with spring calvers average and with higher solids. Also how much can cows eat, what size of a cow have you? Winter diets here made up to 22kg/dm and it all gets eaten, fair enough two forages help intake but my cows getting 18kgdm of grass only are under fed. Basically when giving out advice on meal they quote average farmer yields and that's that but when it comes to grass figures or cop they throw out the top 10% without a consideration for land or a wage figure
keep going wrote: » it must be that time of the month when milk checks come out and people get all tetchy.yeah carbery dropped .5 cent which leaves the base price at 25.6 incl vat but now coops are subbing that .5 cent.word has it browned that ye boys have committed to holding that sub for the year.intervention extended to 350000 tons for smp.production starting to ease a bit except for...........us,cows starting to be culled in alot of countries
atlantic mist wrote: » we are being paid based on protein and butterfat, nothing for whey or lactose, were milking the cows and they are milking us pedigree i think our biggest problem is the secretary and ceo of coop hold the same position in the plc, its a complete conflict of interest and they have shown a complete abuse of power in the role our coop Secretary actual sat pruning his nails at a meeting in dungarvan while making the comment that they thought more farmers would sell the shares on spin out and they will be looking at further avenue to address this....here we are!! they are following the kerry group lead, however i think glanbia has had more profit warnings since its establishment than kerry, they have over paid for companies in america and have a nice debt pile we are one of the suppliers who has increased production, i think were now supplying double what we were pre quota, debts has caused us to keep increasing to try and spread cost but only so far we can go, the model of gii wouldnt provide me with a sustainable way of living so need to start looking at another avenues as piling on more debt is not the answer, keep loans withing stock value and have some sort of exit plan gii business model is based on low prices with a base of sub 28c, my milk development manager told me they would have issues with me over my cost of production prior to spin out, i replied that once the bundle of cash is spent by coop members on spin out i can see a supplier revolt occuring
yewtree wrote: » RightTurnClyde wrote: » The "regular contributor" was bang on with his argument and was able to give and prove specific examples in his herd and his herd in totality is proof. Brennan's argument was just a general non specific, "that's what I've been told so its true" argument. My herd of cows are no prize winners, and I'm sure my farming wouldn't win too many prizes either, but could Aidan explain how my herd has gone from 5000 L & 420 kgms on 250 kgms flat rate fed ration in 2015 to 7000 L & 500kgms on 1000kg feed to yield ration in 2016. Anyone that can get 500 kg ms from their cows is a very efficient farmer.
RightTurnClyde wrote: » The "regular contributor" was bang on with his argument and was able to give and prove specific examples in his herd and his herd in totality is proof. Brennan's argument was just a general non specific, "that's what I've been told so its true" argument. My herd of cows are no prize winners, and I'm sure my farming wouldn't win too many prizes either, but could Aidan explain how my herd has gone from 5000 L & 420 kgms on 250 kgms flat rate fed ration in 2015 to 7000 L & 500kgms on 1000kg feed to yield ration in 2016.
freedominacup wrote: » 500kg of ms isn't even a target tbh. It should be an average. No great secret to achieving it.
kevthegaff wrote: » I think we're going to see sub 30c for 3 yrs and more
keep going wrote: » if i was offered a fix priced contract for all my milk for the next 3 years at anything above 30 id probaly take it
yewtree wrote: » Disagree it's a figure 90- 95% of farmers aren't achieving so it is a target that's in front of the majority of dairy farmers. Also milk yield per cow has little or no relationship with farm profit shown across different systems. The thread seems to suggest that you have to have very high yields to be profitable. I am not saying high yielding herds are not profitable just chasing yield doesn't always leave the most profit.
OverRide wrote: » That Dutch survey showing glanbia paying the lowest price in Europe in April is in the Irish times today Someone should email it to George Lee Glanbia, Bergin and Talbot have displayed the worst contempt for their milk suppliers in Europe An absolute disgraceful shower
mahoney_j wrote: » A combination of decent milk litres combined with good % solids gives high kg .ive seen a lot of what would be regarded as model farms with absolutely savage %soluds but v low milk kg .personally wouldn't regard less than 5 k ltrs and <450 kg ms as overly impressive ......that's just me .reading lots about guys in journal etc with cows pumping out less than 20 ltrs per cow atm not my cup of tea either .500 kg ms min should be bench mark for an average Irish herd
yewtree wrote: » I think benchmarks based around profit/ha are more relevant provided all costs are included (land&labour), producing large amounts of milk/cow is useless unless it delivers more money to the farmer. There are plenty of farms producing less than 450kg ms/cow running viable businesses, for me cost control is more important the focusing on milk yield/cow
