oscarBravo wrote: » It was my statement, and I thought it was clear that it was a question of whether or not the person undergoing the procedure should be proud or ashamed of it. I'm pretty sure the consultant who carried out my trabeculectomy was very proud of it; he did a superb job. But that wasn't my point, any more than the question of whether a parent should be proud of having their child mutilated was my point. But you managed to find a tiny chink in my point into which to drive a wedge of irrelevancy in order to drag the discussion onto a pointless tangent, so I guess that's something for you to be proud of.
aloyisious wrote: » I'm glad you cleared up this point: but a medical procedure performed by someone who is not a medical practitioner is not likely to actually be a medical procedure.
aloyisious wrote: » Again the quibbling. If you check your post above, number 2823, from which I took your sentence (part of a reply from you to robdon) you will observe that you put the 'but' in it.
aloyisious wrote: » That is about the worst argument I've seen here. Pure and utter drivel.
aloyisious wrote: » argument Sound's like it could describe a debate as well, don'cha think?
aloyisious wrote: » Was it a typo when you included the letters ts and the apostrophe between them as you typed the second (it's) into your sentence above, or did you mean to use the letters (Im) and the apostrophe between them instead?
aloyisious wrote: » @Moderators: I've been scrolling back through the past few pages to delete any of my off-topic verbals with an O/P and see that the edit icon is not visible on them. I want to free up available posting-space to give the thread a longer life. How do/can i edit-access those posts to delete them?
Cabaal wrote: » http://www.broadsheet.ie/2016/06/14/meanwhile-in-the-dail-15/https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/742712972729036800https://twitter.com/MaryERegan/status/742717112116973569 So if thats the case surely the pro-life should be happy to hold a ref on the matter?
frostyjacks wrote: » Why waste our money holding a referendum on something that we know will be rejected, and has already been put to the people not that long ago? There's people dying on the street, and abortionists would rather taxpayers money be used to indulge their little fantasies. No thanks.
Deleted User wrote: » Come again?
robdonn wrote: » Waste of semen.
Cabaal wrote: » So if thats the case surely the pro-life should be happy to hold a ref on the matter?
Absolam wrote: » Cabaal wrote: » So if thats the case surely the pro-life should be happy to hold a ref on the matter? Why? What would the benefit be?
Absolam wrote: » Ah, that seems.... worthwhile? Actually, maybe not. Probably best not to
Absolam wrote: » Why? What would the benefit be?
Pherekydes wrote: » To show that they support democracy instead of a small cabal of powerful men in a foreign state having a stranglehold over Irish life.
Absolam wrote: » Those can't possibly be the only available options, can they? Surely we can just ignore any foreign cabals (I mean, I know I do on a regular basis with no ill effects), vote in elections and suchlike to show we support democracy (sounds terribly American, perhaps we should invade a couple of countries as well, just to prove how much we support democracy?) and that way we don't need to encourage the possibility of killing people here. That seems far more sensible!
Pherekydes wrote: » Were we talking about a referendum to repeal the 8th? Why all the whataboutery re elections and America? Not sure what you mean by "killing people".
My view is that if we were to decide to have a referendum to repeal the eighth amendment in October, it would not be passed. I will explain why. There needs to be a real discussion here. If we are going to attempt to remove this from the Constitution, people will want to know what we intend to replace it with. I have had problems with this genuine question. With respect, I do not accept from the Deputy that we should make a rush to judgment in this instance. The UN committee’s verdict in this sensitive and distressing case is non-binding. It is not like the European court. It speaks for the distress caused to this good woman. As the Deputy knows, another case is being processed. It is right and proper for us to follow the route of having a properly selected citizens’ assembly that is able to do its business of reflecting on the eighth amendment and what it might mean. The assembly will consider what changes, if any, should be made to the eighth amendment and how they might be made. If we are to ask people to vote on this issue, at least we should be able to tell them what will replace the eighth amendment if they vote for its removal. People need to know the options and the consequences. I genuinely believe people have a right to be able to discuss these things. This matter divided Irish society for over 30 years. I ask the Deputy to believe me when I say it is not a question of a lack of courage. It is a question of understanding that the entire population has a responsibility and a role in this regard. It is not as simple as saying that a referendum should be held to take out the eighth amendment without saying what it will be replaced with. Taoiseach Enda Kenny speaking during Leaders’ Questions yesterday.
Absolam wrote: » We were indeed, I asked what the benefit to the pro life side was in a referendum, and you offered the notion it would show support for democracy. Saying that that sounds very American doesn't really qualify as whataboutery in my opinion (though you're free to say why you feel it does). I think you probably are sure what I mean by killing people... I think you'd just like to dispute it
Absolam wrote: » and that way we don't need to encourage the possibility of killing people here. That seems far more sensible!
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