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Knowledge Transfer Program

Username John

Just got a text from Teagasc about this

http://www.agriculture.gov.ie/farmerschemespayments/knowledgetransferprogramme/

Is it the same craic as the groups that were setup before? Or something different?

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Mister Vain

Tis the same AFAIK.

Farrell

Is it still 30 ewe flock to join?

Siamsa Sessions

Farrell wrote: »

Is it still 30 ewe flock to join?

Don't think so - or at least our advisor never mentioned this anyway.

rangler1

Siamsa Sessions wrote: »

Don't think so - or at least our advisor never mentioned this anyway.

You must have at least 30 breeding ewes over one year old on 2015 ewe census or over 100 non breeding sheep also based on 2015 ewe census.
You also have to do a farm plan with your advisor and a health plan with a dept nominated vet........ they're hoping that your own vet will register for that.
Vets have to do a training course, I was at athenry last night and there was a lot of aggro over that task

Green farmer

The last discussion group around here went for 2 years. We picked off the easier tasks, but when year 3 came around and only difficult tasks left, the thing fell apart and was cancelled. Hope the new scheme doesn't go that way , as I quiet enjoy learning and meeting other farmers.
But disappointed with teagasc as well, doesn't appear to be much organised by way of farm walks etc this year for sheep

Siamsa Sessions

rangler1 wrote: »

You must have at least 30 breeding ewes over one year old on 2015 ewe census or over 100 non breeding sheep also based on 2015 ewe census.
You also have to do a farm plan with your advisor and a health plan with a dept nominated vet........ they're hoping that your own vet will register for that.
Vets have to do a training course, I was at athenry last night and there was a lot of aggro over that task

OK, thanks for this update.

Our vets are fairly progressive but don't know if they'll like being told they have to do a training course.

Bleating Lamb

My Teagasc advisor contacted me today to see if I would join up....he is struggling to get quota for a group.This question to people who have been in similar grps before,is the paperwork onerous or not too bad?.....what is out of it financially? advisor was in bit of rush on phone so said he would post me out details of it so that's why I'm uninformed about it.I can definitely see the benefits of sharing ideas with other progressive farmers.

Thanks for any feedback.

Green farmer

Only really looked at it in last day or two , but I'm sticking my name down. They seem to have simplified it. More box ticking and on line filling in for advisors, but don't have to go buy Rams and reseed pastures etc. Seems more aimed at animal health such as lameness etc and take actions that improves flock. Need to involve a vet for report ( advisor thinks straight forward for sheep ) but that seems to be only real cost, so should clear more then previous scheme. I enjoy going to the meetings.
What do others think ?

roosky

Its not really a profit making exercise and if you go into it thinking how much will i have out of this your already finished.....yes the few pound is welcome but when time and diesel getting to meetings etc is counted there isnt much out of it......but i would advise any man or woman that wants to learn a bit and see a few new farms and ideas its deffinatly worth it.....also a good social aspect to it talking to like minded people for an evening

Username John

Green farmer wrote: »

Only really looked at it in last day or two , but I'm sticking my name down. They seem to have simplified it. More box ticking and on line filling in for advisors, but don't have to go buy Rams and reseed pastures etc. Seems more aimed at animal health such as lameness etc and take actions that improves flock. Need to involve a vet for report ( advisor thinks straight forward for sheep ) but that seems to be only real cost, so should clear more then previous scheme. I enjoy going to the meetings.
What do others think ?

I hadnt realised it was simplified...

I might enquire about it tomorrow... Altho would want to be in a better group than I was last time, was a waste of time for me last time I felt...

Bleating Lamb

Got details,application form etc in post from advisor this morning....only had time to skim through the terms and conditions and requirements before heading to work.Seems I would have to join Herd Plus....have they a section for sheep?...It's a sheep info grp I intend joining but have sucklers as well.
I also see you would have to upload stuff to Bord Bia....I don't send lambs to factory and know from lads that are in the Bord Bia Quality Assurance scheme that there is a lot of unseen work needed for it like keeping bait points for vermin clearly marked etc etc....would this apply to this Knowledge Transfer Programme I wonder?

Thanks for any thought from lads already signed up...I'm not looking to enter it for financial gain but for the social aspect of meeting other farmers producing similar stock/sharing ideas.....but at same time don't want a lot of unneeded extra work from it;)

Green farmer

I'm in bord bia scheme here for sheep, in fairness I find it ok. Some additional paperwork filling, biggest thing is medicine records and withdrawal periods, along with knackery receipts, and keeping proper track of animal movements. I'm told the sheep one is more straight forward then the dairy. sheep only here so know absolutely nothing about cattle.

Bleating Lamb

Green farmer wrote: »

I'm in bord bia scheme here for sheep, in fairness I find it ok. Some additional paperwork filling, biggest thing is medicine records and withdrawal periods, along with knackery receipts, and keeping proper track of animal movements. I'm told the sheep one is more straight forward then the dairy. sheep only here so know absolutely nothing about cattle.

Thanks pm sent.

Username John

Where do you view your census records on agfood?

I thought it was an option, under the BPS area, but I cant see it now...

Username John

Just reading the T&Cs there...

http://www.agriculture.gov.ie/media/migration/farmingschemesandpayments/knowledgetransfer/KnowledgeTransferTCSheep180516.pdf

For each year of the programme, the reimbursement shall be €750 per participant in respect
of his/her primary sector where all the Terms & Conditions of the Knowledge Transfer Sheep
Programme have been met and without prejudice to Appendix 5 in relation to
reimbursement.

For each year of the programme, the facilitator payment in respect of primary sector
participation in the Knowledge Transfer Sheep Programme shall be €500 per participant
where all the Terms & Conditions of the Programme have been met and without prejudice
to Appendix 5 in relation to Penalties.

So we get paid 750, and we pay the facilitator 500 ?
Edit : Not aginst the facilitator getting paid, nor am I suggesting we should eb in this for the money, as that isn't where the true value is. Just the weighting is not what I expected is all...

E-Profit Monitor:
E-Profit Monitor must be completed in year 1 of the Knowledge Transfer Sheep Programme
and updated on an annual basis thereafter. Participants/nominees must complete a Teagasc
E-Profit Monitor for the previous production year relating to the participants own farm, as
verified by the facilitator (Refer to paragraph 27.6).

(there doesn't seem to be a paragraph 27.6 in the document)

Am wondering what if you aren't a Teagasc member - how does that affect the Profit Monitor requirement?

rangler1

Username John wrote: »

Just reading the T&Cs there...

http://www.agriculture.gov.ie/media/migration/farmingschemesandpayments/knowledgetransfer/KnowledgeTransferTCSheep180516.pdf

So we get paid 750, and we pay the facilitator 500 ?
Edit : Not aginst the facilitator getting paid, nor am I suggesting we should eb in this for the money, as that isn't where the true value is. Just the weighting is not what I expected is all...

(there doesn't seem to be a paragraph 27.6 in the document)

Am wondering what if you aren't a Teagasc member - how does that affect the Profit Monitor requirement?

The dept. pays the facilitator, farmer only has to pay the vet for the health plan

Green farmer

in compassion to last scheme, more is expected from the facilitors, so they'll earn their money.

Username John

rangler1 wrote: »

The dept. pays the facilitator, farmer only has to pay the vet for the health plan

Ah...

Is that a change from the last time around? As I thought the farmers payed the facilitator the last time?

Bleating Lamb

rangler1 wrote: »

Username John wrote: »

Just reading the T&Cs there...

http://www.agriculture.gov.ie/media/migration/farmingschemesandpayments/knowledgetransfer/KnowledgeTransferTCSheep180516.pdf[/

So we get paid 750, and we pay the facilitator 500 ?
Edit : Not aginst the facilitator getting paid, nor am I suggesting we should eb in this for the money, as that isn't where the true value is. Just the weighting is not what I expected is all...

(there doesn't seem to be a paragraph 27.6 in the document)

Am wondering what if you aren't a Teagasc member - how does that affect the Profit Monitor requirement?

The dept. pays the facilitator, farmer only has to pay the vet for the health plan

Hope your right on that one Rangler:)

rangler1

Bleating Lamb wrote: »

Hope your right on that one Rangler:)

Wouldn't be much good if you had to give the facilitator 500 out of your 750 and pay the vet as well

Green farmer

Username John wrote: »

Ah...

Is that a change from the last time around? As I thought the farmers payed the facilitator the last time?

we did .between paying facilitors and buying Rams and reseeding, wasn't much left for farmer, so lots of lads dropped out. So this time it's been simplified, so lads will have more incentive to stay the course and facilitators don't have to chase lads who aren't making money for fees.

I'm looking forward to the profit monitor bit. Wouldn't have an opportunity to learn about that type of stuff otherwise.

Bleating Lamb

rangler1 wrote: »

Bleating Lamb wrote: »

Hope your right on that one Rangler:)

Wouldn't be much good if you had to give the facilitator 500 out of your 750 and pay the vet as well

Have you got that info from a dept or Teagasc source?

rangler1

Bleating Lamb wrote: »

Have you got that info from a dept or Teagasc source?

T & Cs say that the facilitator pays the farmers and they'll issue the facilitators payment when they have proof that the farmer is paid.
Here's the relevant part

''V13.9. Facilitators shall reimburse the Knowledge Transfer participant via Electronic Funds Transfer
(EFT) within TWENTY- FIVE working days of issue of payment from DAFM. Failure to do so
will result in penalties as outlined in Appendix 5.
13.10. Payment to Knowledge Transfer Group Facilitators shall issue AFTER DAFM has received
confirmation of payment to his/her Knowledge Transfer Group(s) participants via the
Knowledge Transfer Proof of Payment Form KT3 or equivalent verifiable evidence without
prejudice to Appendix 5 in relation to penalties.''