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Bounty Hunter

so after the last thread hit 10,000 posts a new thread was needed and here it is so have it it lads:

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Mr.Nice Guy

Diabhal Beag wrote: »

Only ever happens during an utterly dull match where you could argue the players do a disservice by not entertaining the fans anyway. Trap 2012 was awful on the eye and he showed no respect to the supporters or even behind the scenes with players like Kevin Foley.

So support is contingent on whether or not the fans are being entertained? You could argue that with wrestling but not football imo. I saw Spanish fans doing a wave in their game earlier despite their players bossing the game so it's not always an act of disgruntlement. Sometimes it's fans being indulgent.

Diabhal Beag wrote:

Best example in football of people slagging fans was during Spain 2012. What are they supposed to do? Sit on their hands while Fernando Torres embarrasses the team and regret flying over or just making the most of it. Tonight the fans were 100% behind the team and tbf the lads did us proud in that first half so deserved a lot of credit. You'll never hear a football crowd chant "We are Awesome". People do rave about Jordan/Gable getting standing ovations and non-stop chanting for 10 minutes. They don't deserve that much praise but it's cool as a spectacle.

Worth remembering that the biggest critic of four years ago was legend and current assistant manager Roy Keane.

And while I agree football fans would be unlikely to be as explicit as wrestling fans and come out and say 'we are awesome', if we're honest that is the mentality a lot of fans have. Look at the 'best fans in the world' ads we have to put up with, and all the stuff on social media about how our fans are the best etc. It's a bit cringe and small time in my view.

Diabhal Beag wrote:

Let people enjoy themselves. They pay money in to games/shows. That allows them to boo, sing, dance or whatever once it isn't causing hassle.

Of course they can say what they want. That's freedom of speech. But I'm equally entitled to find it tiresome and needy and to criticize it.

Kankan14 wrote:

Jaysus lads in a world where a gay nightclub gets shot to fűck,isis are literally creating a war and fans of other nations in marseilles were practically trying to slice each other open.
What harm is there in fans trying to “get themselves over as the best fans“? They spent their hard earned to get there. I say as long as they hurt nobody leave enjoy the championships whatever way they want.

As for pro's being insulted by mexican waves perhaps they should try harder to entertain or else be a pro and just get on with it.

I just think it's cringeworthy to try to get oneself over as the best fans because it means the mentality is 'me, me, me' rather than 'support the team.'

And from a wrestling viewpoint it is actually harmful to the business when fans put themselves before the guys in the ring. When you're watching a real fight (and wrestling is supposed to be presented as real despite being fake) then you are supposed to be invested emotionally in one guy winning.

I watched a documentary on the Thrilla in Manila fight the other night and the audience weren't trying to get their chants in but were engrossed in what's going on. To quote Jim Cornette, wrestling fans standing for Jerry Lawler's comeback is a great crowd reaction and not a bunch of guys chanting 'We are awesome'.

But obviously not everyone seems to agree. On a brighter note I will say that the 'Stand up for the Ulster man' chant for the NI fan who died was a terrific gesture from our fans.

Kankan14

In other news i cant see us getting much from either of these sides italy have been excellent and with belgiums firepower I think we'll struggle

Kankan14

Jaysus lads in a world where a gay nightclub gets shot to fűck,isis are literally creating a war and fans of other nations in marseilles were practically trying to slice each other open.
What harm is there in fans trying to “get themselves over as the best fans“? They spent their hard earned to get there. I say as long as they hurt nobody leave enjoy the championships whatever way they want.

As for pro's being insulted by mexican waves perhaps they should try harder to entertain or else be a pro and just get on with it.

Diabhal Beag

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

In fairness many ex-pros despise the wave precisely because it shows the fans aren't paying attention to what's going on on the pitch.

Only ever happens during an utterly dull match where you could argue the players do a disservice by not entertaining the fans anyway. Trap 2012 was awful on the eye and he showed no respect to the supporters or even behind the scenes with players like Kevin Foley.

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

I've no problem with fans having fun. I hope they do and I hope they do so safely. I just hope the primary focus is on giving a round of applause to the players, as opposed to getting a pat on the back for themselves. It's not supposed to be about getting themselves over, but getting the competitors over the line. And I would argue that applies to both sports and wrestling.

Best example in football of people slagging fans was during Spain 2012. What are they supposed to do? Sit on their hands while Fernando Torres embarrasses the team and regret flying over or just making the most of it. Tonight the fans were 100% behind the team and tbf the lads did us proud in that first half so deserved a lot of credit. You'll never hear a football crowd chant "We are Awesome". People do rave about Jordan/Gable getting standing ovations and non-stop chanting for 10 minutes. They don't deserve that much praise but it's cool as a spectacle.

Let people enjoy themselves. They pay money in to games/shows. That allows them to boo, sing, dance or whatever once it isn't causing hassle.

Loughc

On a lighter note, Low Blows views on the Irish football team.

"Ireland are like the Social Outcasts. We're small, we love to sing and dance, nobody hates us but nobody really likes us. We almost always lose, but every now and then Heath Slater will beat Big Show and we're all like 'OH MY GOD HE JUST BEAT THE BIG SHOW' but then the next week we're back to normal."

Mr.Nice Guy

WinnyThePoo wrote:

Yea screw them for having fun. Damn supporters trying to put themselves with their Mexican waves.

In fairness many ex-pros despise the wave precisely because it shows the fans aren't paying attention to what's going on on the pitch.

I've no problem with fans having fun. I hope they do and I hope they do so safely. I just hope the primary focus is on giving a round of applause to the players, as opposed to getting a pat on the back for themselves. It's not supposed to be about getting themselves over, but getting the competitors over the line. And I would argue that applies to both sports and wrestling.

Diabhal Beag

What's to say they don't care? They're at the match, they've spend hundreds if not thousands to be there, they're watching the match. They're doing more to support the team than myself or yourself that are watching at home tbh. Just because they chant stuff during it or have fun beforehand doesn't mean they don't care.

Loughc

It's not the fans that go to the matches are the problem it's the lads who are there "for the craic" trying their best "to go viral" and more concerned about getting themselves noticed than the football.

As I said it was funny at first and it is harmless they could be doing much worse but it's embarrassing sometimes.

WinnyThePoo

Mr.Nice Guy wrote:

I think defending fans looking to make themselves the centre of attention is like saying the Mexican wave is a sign of passion. It isn't. It's a sign of how much fans don't care what's going on.

Yea screw them for having fun. Damn supporters trying to put themselves with their Mexican waves.

Bounty Hunter

What exactly did the Irish fans do? I must have missed it concentrating on the football. Could be far worse anyway when you look at what England are going through again with their fans. Rooney couldn't look any more like he was struggling to read off a prompter with his message to their fans to cut it out

Mr.Nice Guy

I think defending fans looking to make themselves the centre of attention is like saying the Mexican wave is a sign of passion. It isn't. It's a sign of how much fans don't care what's going on.

WinnyThePoo

Diabhal Beag wrote:

That's legitimately an embarrassing criticism. They pay in, they support the team/your boring development territory/gimmick fighter, and yet because they keep themselves entertained they're bad. We've watched RAWs for years where people don't care. As if it makes a difference.

I utterly cringe at people complaining about people having fun.

Bounty Hunter

Second half the team did seem to tire and sit a bit too deep leading to the goal conceded but tbh Sweden were Lucky, they had 0 shots on target I believe.

Still much better than euro 2012 already.

Diabhal Beag

That's legitimately an embarrassing criticism. They pay in, they support the team/your boring development territory/gimmick fighter, and yet because they keep themselves entertained they're bad. We've watched RAWs for years where people don't care. As if it makes a difference.

ERG89

Loughc wrote: »

The Irish football supporters remind me of the nxt full sail crowd, they're more interested in getting themselves over. It was funny at first but now it's wearing thin.

Add Conor McGregor fans to that too

Loughc

The Irish football supporters remind me of the nxt full sail crowd, they're more interested in getting themselves over. It was funny at first but now it's wearing thin.

Lithium93_

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

Horrible event. There have been some awful ones in the US this week alone.

I see Trump is now positioning himself as the only candidate that can bring order. I worry that a sense of fear and suspicion will drive Americans into his arms in the election.

Next time he's in front of a crowd, I can almost guarantee he'll use this tragedy as one big "I told you" and the amount of American's who'll buy into his whole anti-Muslim shtick will jump massively, and those who already follow him will buy into it further.. And the pro gun nuts/pro 2nd amendment/N.R.A will spew out their "this wouldn't have happened if those people had been armed" line..

Sad day for humanity and the entire world if he gets into office as 45th President in January 2017..

Mr.Nice Guy

Horrible event. There have been some awful ones in the US this week alone.

I see Trump is now positioning himself as the only candidate that can bring order. I worry that a sense of fear and suspicion will drive Americans into his arms in the election.

ShagNastii

50 dead is some figure.

Much like when I was UCD the time of the Virginia Tech Massacre. I always sort of equate these things it what it would be like at home.

No different to some crazed mad man/women going into the George and shooting up the place leaving 50 odd dead.

Lithium93_

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

50 dead in Orlando after shooting in a club, terrible attack, the shooter known to FBI but still had fire arms, baffling - RIP the victims

Shooter apparently pledged allegiance to Islamic State.

I shook my head when I heard, this seems to happen on a regular basis in the U.S that I'm not even shocked/surprised anymore when it happens.

Also it's the 173rd shooting in the U.S this year, and we're only 163 days into 2016, that in itself is a shocking figure..

JP Liz V1

50 dead in Orlando after shooting in a club, terrible attack, the shooter known to FBI but still had fire arms, baffling - RIP the victims

Lord TSC

I don't believe in ghosts...but a plate we had up on the wall for 11 years just flew off the wall utterly on its own. No one was near it, no vibrations from anything else in the house. Was just sitting playing Overwatch when wham! The thing fell off the wall. Frightened the life out of me.

ShagNastii

England looking impressive. Spurs lads certainly seem to have brought their A game. Playing with no fear, they could do well.

I think Spain will come back big style from their pitiful World Cup. So much talent.

That said Germans should be there or there adouts come the final two.

Mr.Nice Guy

Our U-20s beat their New Zealand counterparts as well. :cool:

Angron

Fantastic win for the Irish rugby team over South Africa, in South Africa.

Virtanen

Uriah Beautiful Self-denial wrote: »

Who do you all see winning the Euros? France for me.

They've played well tonight so far, they definitely deserve to be one of the favourites, but I think it'll be Germany to win it out.

Lithium93_

Uriah Beautiful Self-denial wrote: »

Who do you all see winning the Euros? France for me.

Either France, Spain or Germany for me..

diusmr8a504cvk

Who do you all see winning the Euros? France for me.

jaykhunter

Nerdkiller1991 wrote: »

Officially an old man, I see. No more night clubs for you. It's the Logan's Run law.

Ha! Even when I was 18 I told Steve (OOC) that I hate nightclubs because they're too loud. "Remember that I was old and crotchety when I was young!"

Mr.Nice Guy

Belated happy birthday, jay. Welcome to the thirtysomething club.