MuDvAyNe

domeara01

well this is a thread to just try and find out how amny of you like mudvayne. in my opinion they are one of the best bands around today. also i would like to know would you like to see them live.
this fan certainly would like to see them live. how about you.

cournioni

I don't really know them, but I've heard one of their songs. It was alright. Better than most of the nu-metal crap being put out today. I would most definately go to see them if they ever came here.

Drunk pirate

I liked dig a little and was thinking about buying thier album but as soon as I heard I'm not drowning(or something) I changed my mind. It's way too nu.

Karl Hungus

Dear oh dear, no!

black_wizardd

Mudvayne, from what I've heard of their stuff, are a Slipknot ripoff. Agreed, they are FAR better than the crap being churned out at the moment, but that wouldn't be hard, would it?

gaui3d0pnbz86o

hey leave mudvayne alnoe! i liked there album, loved dig love the new single. would def go to their concert if they ever came to ireland,

were all intitled to like whatever bands we like,

personaly i love cradle of filth.

domeara01

lets get a couple of things straight.
1: MuDvAyNe have been around longer than slipknot have and they are in no way like a slipknot rip-off. they are totally different.
2: MudVaYnE are alot better than most of the **** that we are been given nowadays. that is because they are unique and angry.
3: people who make miss-informed opinions are doo doo heads. they are the scurge of our society and should be punished. take the example of the person who said that they thought that dig was good but when they heard not falling he did not buy the album. guess what einstien. not falling is from the new third album. dig is on L.D.50. there second album. well thats all i will say on that matter.

gaui3d0pnbz86o

here here

ld 50 was a good album from start to finish

domeara01

thank you. finally some one who agrees with me.


no no tears please, for fear of pain may acompany death, and it is desire, the shackling certainty as we shouting.

amd now the lyrics to my favourite song on L.D.50

Nothing To Gein

Cold and silent, soiled face I will wash it all away,
With my love,
That's all she's ever needed, from me
It's my time, to mother,
One of my own in my life,
I am so alone, left with no one
In my life, I'm so alone

Life submissiveness,
Hypnotizing the ignorant a little boy's best friend's always his mother,
At least that's what she said,
Life of a simple man,
Taught that everyone else is dirty,
And their love is meaningless,
I'm just a soiled dirty boy,
I'm just a soiled dirty boy,

Sheltered life innocence,
Insulated memories, spark reflections of my head,
Duality in my consciousness,
Caught in the war of hemispheres,
Between the love lost in my head,
Mommy do you still live inside of me,
I'm so lost in my life without any guiding,
Protected me my whole life from everything,
Nailed shut the doors to the shrine,
To screen your dead eyes from me and my sickness,
Mutilate and sew my new clothes for masquerading,
Aprons of flesh corpse scalped hair with skin upon my face,

Deliver the remains from her womb of earth,
Prep the rack and tie up for new love's rebirth,
Covert understanding of novice surgery,
I'll focus concentration and only take just what I need
For sickness I'm masticating,
Dancing and masturbating,
Celebrate in fields of night with skin upon my face

If I soak my hands in others blood am I sick,
If I wash my hands in others blood am I sick,
If I drench myself in others blood am I sick,
If I bathe myself in others blood

Blame mother for the sickness,
Mutilate and sew my new clothes for masquerading,
Aprons of flesh corpse scalped hair with skin upon my face,
Dance and masturbate in night light by myself..

Nothing is left for me to gain they're coming to take me far away,

Chorus

Life of a simple man taught that everyone else is dirty and love is meaningless
I'm so soiled
Soiled

eth0_

Mudvayne rock! I couldn't stand them until I saw them live at Ozzfest in England last year but LD50 is a fantastic album, and anyone who says they sound like slipknot....have you actually *listened* to their albums?? They sound nothing alike, just because they have a shouty singer doesn't mean they're ripping 'knot off. As someone said earlier, mudvayne have been around a lot longer.

Can't wait to get their new album, should have it tomorrow hopefully

Satansdaman - have you got their dvd? it's pretty good.

Karl Hungus

Originally posted by satansdaman
lets get a couple of things straight.
1: MuDvAyNe have been around longer than slipknot have and they are in no way like a slipknot rip-off. they are totally different.

Slipknot - Mate Feed Kill Repeat Released 1996
Mudvayne - Kill I Oughtta Released 1997

You were saying?

And as far as I know, Kill I Oughtta was a 7-track demo, and not a full album at all. Where as Mate Feed Kill Repeat was a full, self-released album.

And all this took was a quick search on Google to find the relative information.

Originally posted by satansdaman
2: MudVaYnE are alot better than most of the **** that we are been given nowadays. that is because they are unique and angry.

I'm sure eating my own shoes is alot better than eating horse poo, doesn't mean I'm going to. Not when I've got a pot noodle.

eth0_

Originally posted by AngelWhore
Slipknot - Mate Feed Kill Repeat Released 1996
Mudvayne - Kill I Oughtta Released 1997

You were saying?

He never said Mudvayne have been releasing albums longer. He said they've been AROUND longer.

TBH, slipknot Vs Mudvayne is an incredibly lazy comparison. Ooooh they both dress in costumes and wear make up! Even superficially, Mudvayne don't have the help of a DJ, and I think have a tighter sound and a bit of a goth feel to their music. I can't hear any similarity at all....

Karl Hungus

Originally posted by eth0_
He never said Mudvayne have been releasing albums longer. He said they've been AROUND longer.

Isn't the singer about 35 or something?
I guess if you look at it that way, they've been around longer.
But seeing that Mudvayne released a demo a year after Slipknot released a full album suggests to me that in fact Slipknot were around as a band longer.

Again, like I said, this is on information that I've googled for.
Looking for both bands earliest releases...
And my conclusion is based on this.

Now, I never really said that Mudvayne were a slipknot ripoff. But you do have to admit, there a definite similarity. I suppose comparing them to Coal Chamber would be a better comparison? But just looking at the lyrics posted, it's all the same kind of teen-angst style spouted by these bands; Marylin Manson, Slipknot, Korn, it's all the same ballpark. So in my view it's an acceptable comparison.

Even just looking at the spelling of the band name: Mudvayne. I'm assuming Vayne = Vein. It's the steriotypical purposefully miss-spelled name, just the same as most nu-metal bands today, Korn, Limp Bizkit, Linkin Park.

But no, I'm not going to say they're a rip-off of any band. It is rather lazy, and as I just proved there myself, you can draw comparisons between just about any band in nu-metal, and some of it is rather superficial.

One thing that I find a bit puzzling though, is where on earth to you get the goth comparison? Care to clear that up a little for me?

domeara01

well i just got the end of all things to come and it rocks truley and totally.

the difference between mudvayne and slipknot. the lyrics really have a meaning. they really mean something. slipknot have not. they go on about how satansic they are. i am not really willing to spend 20 euro to listen to corey taylor say that he is a satanist for an hour. slipknot have eight members. mudvayne have four. big difference. just cause they misspelled there name does not mean that they are nu-metal.

thats all i will say on the matter.

eth0_

Heh, I think one sure fire way of telling if a band is nu-metal is to go down to the Central Bank and see what the kids are wearing! I for one have never seen a mudvayne t-shirt or hoodie worn around Dublin.

And Mudvayne don't sing about teen angst, when they sing about things like Ed Gein, it's hardly 'my girlfriend cheated on me and i want to die' stuff really. They aren't even looking for pity heheh "Don't feel sorry don't feel sorry for me . Don't need your sympathy or empathy, don't need your sympathy inside of me"

Mudvayne > Slipknot. End of story!

Oeneus

Well here's what Slipknot and Mudvayne have in common.

THEY BOTH FUUCKING SUCK!!!!!

Karl Hungus

Originally posted by satansdaman
the difference between mudvayne and slipknot. the lyrics really have a meaning. they really mean something. slipknot have not. they go on about how satansic they are. i am not really willing to spend 20 euro to listen to corey taylor say that he is a satanist for an hour. slipknot have eight members. mudvayne have four. big difference. just cause they misspelled there name does not mean that they are nu-metal.

Thank who ever invented google, or I'd be lost in this.

From Slipknot's 'Surfacing'
Running out of ways to run
I can't see, I can't be
Over and over and under my skin
All this attention is doing me in!

**** it all! **** this world!
**** everything that you stand for!
Don't belong! Don't exist!
Don't give a ****!
Don't ever judge me!

And...

From Slipknot's 'Wait And Bleed'
I've felt the hate rise up in me...
Kneel down and clear the stone of leaves...
I wander over where you can't see...
Inside my shell, I wait and bleed...

Get outta my head cuz I don't need this
Why I didn't I see this?
I'm a victim - Manchurian candidate
I have sinned by just
Makin' my mind up and takin' your breath away

Now, this is only the first two fecking songs I looked at, and they both hit the Teeny-Angst target spot on. I'm sure if I was to look at the other songs they have I'd find that it's all pretty much the same.

I don't really see anything about satanism in there whatsoever. But I find it perplexing that you say you dont want to listen to Corey Taylor say he's a satanist, and from what I've seen, he doesn't, yet what I've gathered from other threads, is that you're also a Cradle Of Filth fan? So how is it you can listen to Dani Filth go on about being a satanist?

I'm too fecking tired to argue any more tonite...
So, I'll leave it until tomorrow.

And btw, Etho, you didn't answer my question about where you get the goth connection in Mudvayne?

Crucifix

I like mudvayne. Good drumming. Bass is usually just backing the guitar and then occasionally can be heard do it's own short cool bit, and go back to backing the guitar, I liked that. Guitar is average. Singing is good when he stops shouting.

Karl Hungus

Originally posted by eth0_
And Mudvayne don't sing about teen angst, when they sing about things like Ed Gein, it's hardly 'my girlfriend cheated on me and i want to die' stuff really. They aren't even looking for pity heheh "Don't feel sorry don't feel sorry for me . Don't need your sympathy or empathy, don't need your sympathy inside of me"

Ok, now I said I'd argue a bit more on this...
Watch me go!

Now, would you please explain to me how 'My Girlfriend cheated on me' is teen angst? Because frankly, that can happen to anyone, and most likely they will feel like **** and want to die, it's a given, and I dont see how that aplies solely to teens.

Maybe I've got the definition totally wrong? Because as far as I know, it's usually the old teenage rebellion "I hate my parents" crap. And no matter how you dress it up, and pretain it to be something it isn't, it's still the same old thing... I mean, just look at the lyrics posted already:

Hypnotizing the ignorant a little boy's best friend's always his mother,
At least that's what she said,

Blame mother for the sickness

It's all the same nu-metal teen-angst rubbish dressed up as a song about a serial killer.

domeara01

hey he never said it was his girlfried breaking up with him. he said that it is hardly like cuud shouting about how his girlfriend broke up with him. what he is saying is that is not mudvaynes style. you know what i mean.

If anyone is interested or wants to find out more about mudvayne Click Here.

i dont wanna argue with anyone now cause it is stupid.

satan

Oeneus

Originally posted by satansdaman

If anyone is interested or wants to find out more about mudvayne Click Here.

Nah. That's OK.

domeara01

why would you post a reply to say no thanks and that would be it. your a bit ****ed up like arent you.
satan. if you dont like it keeep your mouth shut.

Oeneus

Hehe. Sorry. I just felt like giving a little bit of sarcasm to express how much I hate this band.

domeara01

why hate them when you can love them

Karl Hungus

Originally posted by satansdaman
hey he never said it was his girlfried breaking up with him. he said that it is hardly like cuud shouting about how his girlfriend broke up with him. what he is saying is that is not mudvaynes style. you know what i mean.

What on earth are you talking about!?
Try and read what I've posted, you might get a clue as to what's going on in the thread.

domeara01

hey anglewhore. we moved on ages ago.

eth0_

Satansdaman - have you got Mudvaynes new album? I got it last week, fecking class! A little heavier than LD50, but it's brill, I think it's out in Ireland on Friday, check it out!

domeara01

yeah i got it last week too. it is class. i like mercy severity and patient mental. those are class tunes. but the album is class as a whole

domeara01

do you haver the beginning of the end of all things to come. that is also class.

Karl Hungus

Originally posted by satansdaman
hey anglewhore. we moved on ages ago.

No YOU have moved on ages ago... Without answering to any of my points, I should add.

eth0_

Originally posted by satansdaman
do you haver the beginning of the end of all things to come. that is also class.

No I don't, must get it, I heard it was pretty good.

domeara01

well why did you say that you got it if you dont that is dishonest

eth0_

Originally posted by satansdaman
well why did you say that you got it if you dont that is dishonest

You weren't exactly clear in which album you meant.
I thought you meant 'Beginning Of All Things To End'.

I don't have that.

I was referring to 'End of all things to come'.

Get it right, kid.

Oeneus

Originally posted by satansdaman
why hate them when you can love them

Because I don't love things that blow goats! That would be "dishonest".

ThrAx

I just got The End of All Things to Come with the bonus dvd. Its fucking brilliant. The dvd isn't great it hasn't got any videos just documentary type stuff, but the in-studio clips are brilliant, especially the drumming clips. I have LD 50 too, its also pretty damn good, havn't listened to it in ages though. TBH i don't care too much what the lyrics are about as long as the music is good, and it is (in my opinion).

Any comparisons to Slipknot are fucking stupid. Mudvayne are much better, and more artistic.

Also who was the dingus who said that Slipknot have 8 members they have 9, 0 to 8.

Another thing, Slipknot never go on about being satanists you eejit. In Heretics Anthem on Iowa he says "If you're 555 then I'm 666", hes just going on about how different he is from what people think he should be like. Corey also said at one of 'Knot's live performances at Ozzfest that this song was supposed to be "The biggest middle finger to the records industry", (don't ask me how it is, thats what he said.) Apart from the mention of 666 there aren't really any other references to satanism or Corey (or any other member) being a satanist.

And somebody also mentioned the fact that most Dublin moshers and slip/korn/nirvana hoodie kids dont wear mudvayne stuff, in fact a lot of the ones I know either havn't heard of them or think they are goth music! (fucking stupid retards).

Pugsley

AW - their losing the arguement so they make half dozen short posts to try to cover it up, i think they answer a few of you points, maybe 2 outta the 10 or so

Thrax - they call slipknot satanists because they have probably never listened to any of their songs, its the classic 'oh slipknot, they suck', talk to anyone who doesnt listen to metal and ask them what they think of slipknot, 75% or so will say they suck, the other 25% will ignore you and think your wierd, or maybe even say they have never listened to them and give no opinion. Calling slipknot the stuff you scrape from your shoe seems to be seen as 'cool' in most places, its stereotyping, just live with it. Please dont call it 'goth' music, it has nothing to do with modern nu-metal, your confusing goths with gothlings, rather diffrent, a common mistake however

Get it right, kid.

For once eth0_ is talking to someone without insulting them for a while and argueing, and then he comes up with this, obviously isnt looking for friends in these parts.

domeara01

angle whore. i dont wat to get into this now. anyhow i think i was a bit ****ed up the day i said there is 8 members in slipkknot. that and the fact that i dont like them. but anyhow peoples misconceptions of bands like mudvayne are a crime. peopel dont realise that these are good bands and all they need is a little support to lift them into europe and more inportantly ireland. i dont know what is going on with thye world.

Karl Hungus

I've no misconceptions about them at all. In fact, I whipped out some magazine compilation CD with Nothing To Gein on it, and had a good listen while I was arguing before. It was standard Nu-metal fare. But quite frankly, there are many, many better bands, far more worthy of our support. And I dont think feeding the American nu-metal scene further is in any way, shape or form important, as far as I know, Mudvayne are signed to the clown from Slipknot's own label, are they not?


Now, Pugsley.
Get it right, kid!

'Confusing Goths with Gothlings'? As far as your context goes, the term gothling makes allusions to budding taste in the goth music scene. But quite frankly, there's abosutely no link between goth and numetal what so ever! GET IT RIGHT, KID!

domeara01

tell mne where the nu metal part comes in nothing to gein. i am llistening to it at the moment and i hear no NU-METAL part in it. maybe you could define NU-METAL and what it is in your conception of it. please do this as i am very interested in hearing it.

Vlad Drac

Heres a nice big long definition for you to clear up what nu metal is ... http://www.sonicdeath.co.uk/guides/numetal.htm ... and in the recomended section at the bottom we find mudvayne :eek:

Karl Hungus

You've seriously got to be kidding me...
Just listen to the drums, it's the exact same thing as David Silvera, Joey Jordison and the like do...

Frankly I'd be far more interested in hearing your definition of nu-metal.

domeara01

well if you think that then you are a lost child. there is good drumming in mudvayne. my definition of numetal is rap vocals with a metal band and a dj in the mix.

Nu-Metal=Sh*t

end of story

ThrAx

Have any of you ever seen/heard Joey Jordisson's drum solos? ****ing awesome.

Karl Hungus

Originally posted by satansdaman
well if you think that then you are a lost child. there is good drumming in mudvayne. my definition of numetal is rap vocals with a metal band and a dj in the mix.

Nu-Metal=Sh*t

end of story

I didn't comment on whether the drumming was any good or not. I said it was the same style as Silvera, and all those. Can you please try and read what I've said before you reply to it?

And no, nu-metal is not simply rap vocals and DJ's. I'd hardly think Korn fit easily into that definition, and they pretty much started nu-metal. Even later Sepultura had a hand in it.

But remind me again... Dont the Deftones use a DJ? Don't System Of A Down rap? Yet these are hardly Linkin Park, are they? No, I wouldn't think so.... So I'd say your definition is pretty screwed, isn't it?

Pugsley

Originally posted by satansdaman
Nu-Metal=Sh*t

end of story

On the whole I dont like nu-metal, but some of the bands are good.
I like some slipknot songs (most of its pretty pants, but some songs good), and Im listening to a lot of Guano Apes aswell, which I have heard defined as nu-metal.

Crucifix

It's off the subject of Mudvayne, but are disturbed considered Nu-metal? Their rythms have a nu-metal feel sometimes, but their music seems to stand out from other nu-metal bands.

ThrAx

Disturbed's song "Down with the sickness" is supposed to be about how shit nu-metal is and how its wrecking the music industry or some bullshit like that. i.e. the band don't consider themselves nu-metal despite their very nu-metal sounding tunes.

Fuck it, people call Tool nu-metal. I've heard them being called nu-metal in some magzine.

domeara01

Originally posted by AngelWhore
I didn't comment on whether the drumming was any good or not. I said it was the same style as Silvera, and all those. Can you please try and read what I've said before you reply to it?

And no, nu-metal is not simply rap vocals and DJ's. I'd hardly think Korn fit easily into that definition, and they pretty much started nu-metal. Even later Sepultura had a hand in it.

But remind me again... Dont the Deftones use a DJ? Don't System Of A Down rap? Yet these are hardly Linkin Park, are they? No, I wouldn't think so.... So I'd say your definition is pretty screwed, isn't it?

well it is a good thing that i do not listen to the deftones and KoRn anynore so thats ok. system of a down they rap but they do not have a DJ in there band and therefore do not form a nu metal band. for a NU Metal band to exist then they must have all three components in there band. if they rap then they are venturing into rap metal.

Karl Hungus

Complete rubbish!
I start to wonder if you're only a troll, as I doubt anyone can be that ignorant.

I mean, the fecking FOUNDERS of nu-metal, Korn had neither rapping vocals, or DJ scratching. Same goes for Fear Factory.

domeara01

i never said that Fear factory and KoRn were nu-metal. i said that i do not llisten to KoRn and the deftones anymore. fear factory are not nu metal. it is obvious what has happened here and that is that we have different opinions. i am not ignorant. i just like to have the last word. i will leave it to you though this time.
good bye.

domeara01

at least we have one thing in common. we both like dimmu borgir.