Protesting Shrub

dahamsta

Hopefully the consensus will be a march in Dublin (to protest Bush's visit), so if this is the case can we get a group together to travel up on the train or a minibus?

adam

daveirl

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dahamsta

I'd be happy to hold the other end of it.

rymus

make it a 10ft long sign and I'll be happy to hold the middle

Ste.phen

and i'll walk in front, backwards and take a picture of it, before tripping over someone from the SWP who thought lying down in front of the MARCH was what they were supposed to do

Kold

Sure he's a dick but I don't really see any problem with him coming over. Goebbels couldn't make enough facist propaganda for anyone to take this guy seriously at this stage.

dahamsta

I don't have a problem with him coming over. Anyone here got a problem with him coming over?

adam

Kold

Socialism is for povs anyway

daveirl

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pro_gnostic_8

Lads, may I ask a question or two here, please?

By partaking in this proposed protest trip, are you protesting against George W. Bush's foreign policy regarding Iraq or are you protesting specifically against his visit to Ireland?

If it is the former you intend protesting against, then unfortunately, you are advocating the abandonment of the fledgling constitutional democracy in Iraq to chaos and Islamicist fascism. However, if you are protesting against the visit of the Head of State of a friendly nation to this country (as suggested by the title thread, PROTESTING SHRUB) then be aware that this will be seen as a deep affront by the American populace and their public representatives. It is insulting and offensive to thus treat an official visitor no matter what you think of his policies.

I do defend your right to protest as I know you will respect my right to voice my dissent with this proposal.

DiscoStu

Originally posted by pro_gnostic_8
However, if you are protesting against the visit of the Head of State of a friendly nation to this country (as suggested by the title thread, PROTESTING SHRUB) then be aware that this will be seen as a deep affront by the American populace and their public representatives. It is insulting and offensive to thus treat an official visitor no matter what you think of his policies.

I'll give Mugabe a ring then and tell him that he can stay at your place for a few days.

yellum

Spot the Fox News fan.

Its a pity that they had to kill about 20,000 Iraqis to deliver their imposed democracy.

I like this girls T-Shirt:

dahamsta

By partaking in this proposed protest trip, are you protesting against George W. Bush's foreign policy regarding Iraq or are you protesting specifically against his visit to Ireland?

What people want to march against or in support of is their business. As long as I don't have to walk under the banner of a political party I don't support, and people are peaceful, they can believe what they want to believe. I reserve the right not to agree with them.

If it is the former you intend protesting against, then unfortunately, you are advocating the abandonment of the fledgling constitutional democracy in Iraq to chaos and Islamicist fascism.

As against the peaceful philosophical commune they have over there right now? Peace and love man.

adam

Kold

OMG! Triple Tex Mex in BK for 2.95!

dahamsta

Did kold post in the wrong window or am I missing something?

pro_gnostic_8

No, Stu, Mugabe one of the worse despots of the 20th century reponsible for killing thouisands of his citizens (the Makabele tribespeople) would not be welcome in my gaffe. Thing is tho', if he were to visit this country it would be very unlikely that the broad left-wing alliance would come out in protest against him. They seem to reserve that reception exclusively for American guests.

Originally posted by dahamsta
What people want to march against or in support of is their business. As long as I don't have to walk under the banner of a political party I don't support, and people are peaceful, they can believe what they want to believe. I reserve the right not to agree with them.

That's fair 'nuff, Adam. But it's also dodging the question. Seeing as it is you who proposed this protest trip I think it is incumbent upon you to declare what it is YOU are protesting against!

dahamsta

I'm not dodging the question, I simply don't want to answer it because I know that you're only too aware why people would want to march in peaceful protest against Bush and his administration, and you're just trying to troll up a flame war on a forum where the subject doesn't really belong. There's a search facility on Boards.ie, if you want to know my feelings about Bush, use it. If you have a problem with the opinions you find, feel free to start a thread about it in the Politics forum.

I do defend your right to do so, as I know you will respect my right to ignore it.

adam

comet

I'm with pro_gnostic_8 on this one. I wasn't in favour of the war but now its happened the U.S. have a moral responsibility to stay and oversea these countries recovery to what hopeful will be a better life for the people who live there. Afterall this world is a better place now that The Taliban and Saddam are no longer in power, they were evil tyrants. Al Quada learned something from their attack on Madrid, terrorism could be used to overthrow a government, are they to see the same results in the U.S. this Autumn, it would be seen as a great win for their campaign of terror if Bush is voted out. I won't be protesting Bushs visit, whose side are we on? Is Kerry going to be some great saviour, i doubt it very much and if faced with attacks against the U.S. I'm sure he will react in much the same way as Bush.

dahamsta

I don't think I mentioned that the US should pull out of Iraq above, did I? Did anyone else? Oh yes, pro_gnostic_8 did, but of course pro_gnostic_8 was objecting to an imagined pullout based on a non-uncanny reading of my mind.

Anyway, this isn't the place for political debate, I'm simply trying to arrange a gathering. If yourself and pro_gnostic_8 would like to arrange a "non-gathering", feel free to start another thread. In the Politics forum.

adam

comet

lol a "non-gathering", i like it

daveirl

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pro_gnostic_8

Quite frankly, you've mentioned nothing. Your position seems to be a refusal to answer a straightforward question. You've asked members of this forum to join you on a protest demonstration, yet, when someone asks you what you are protesting against you reply:

Originally posted by dahamsta
I'm not dodging the question, I simply don't want to answer it

You take the dismissive easy-out that I am a troll. As you will be aware when you check I was the 2nd or 3rd original contributor to this board when it was created many months ago (before your moderatorship) and I challenge you to find any previous evidence of trollism on my behalf. It's curious that, now, because I ask you a simple question I am, by your consideration a mischief-maker.

Yep, I didn't want to make South a POLITICS BY PROXY board. I was simply asking a question as a Corkman in response to your call-to-arms. Sorry if honest debate is now frowned upon in this local bulletin board.
Regards,
Jack. C.

dahamsta

Originally posted by daveirl
Anyway if I am going I will travel with you lot, that doesn't mean we have to agree on everything.

The world'd be a boring place if we all agreed on everything. We all have our own reasons for protesting, and it's our own business whether we want to voice them or not, as long as we do it legally and civilly. A pity people like the poster above can't seem to understand that.

Didn't see Q&A last night, but I take your point about associations. Hopefully other groups will come together to arrange alternatives to the loonies and the politically-motivated. Not this politically-motivated loony though, obviously.

adam

comet

So are ye going protesting on Friday?