Nokia 6600

LFCFan

Have an opportunity to get one of these for £335 Sterling (Approx €480). Is that a good price or would they come down a bit once they're fully released?

jesus_thats_gre

From what I have seen on various forums, thats a savage price. Where ya getting em from and can you get anymore ?

LFCFan

E-Bay. There's one for £330 plus £15 shipping but I mailed one chap that's selling them and he said £330 with shipping included.

jesus_thats_gre

I would be wary, a few nightmare stories about Ebay and newly released phones.

LFCFan

what about the Sony T610? I've seen one in the highstreet for €399. Is that a good price?

flywheel

T610 - currently STG £245 from mphone.co.uk or STG £240 from expansys.com - note mphone.co.uk's courier charges to ireland are a bit cheaper though (mphone.co.uk £19, expansys.com £25) - so works out about the same

not sure where you are getting your exchange rate so best check yourself the euro value... comes out cheaper than Eur 399 on www.xe.com

LFCFan

Originally posted by DubWireless
T610 - currently STG £245 from mphone.co.uk or STG £240 from expansys.com - note mphone.co.uk's courier charges to ireland are a bit cheaper though (mphone.co.uk £19, expansys.com £25) - so works out about the same

not sure where you are getting your exchange rate so best check yourself the euro value... comes out cheaper than Eur 399 on www.xe.com

mphone.co.uk = £245 + £19 = £264 = €384
Expansys.com = £240 + £25 = £265 = €386
Tommys Toy Superstore = €399 and no wait!

At the moment the exchange rate is 1 EUR = 0.686788 GBP

flywheel

Tommys Toy Superstore sounds great then - go for it if you want it immediately - in fact it 's a good price (comparing the 21% vs 17.5% VAT difference)

exchange rate changes / comission can be a bit different depending on how you pay for it - so didn't want to quote a direct comparison for you - better to check it yourself the way you were planning to pay...

btw - where does Tommy have his Toy Superstore ?

LFCFan

Originally posted by DubWireless
Tommys Toy Superstore sounds great then - go for it if you want it immediately - in fact it 's a good price (comparing the 21% vs 17.5% VAT difference)

exchange rate changes / comission can be a bit different depending on how you pay for it - so didn't want to quote a direct comparison for you - better to check it yourself the way you were planning to pay...

btw - where does Tommy have his Toy Superstore ?

Just bought it. Christ, I couldn't have been more wrong about the phone when I first saw it. It's a lot smaller than I thought and I love it. Got it in Tommy's in the Blanchardstown Centre. Very surprised myself at the price. Paid by laser. Great thing about this is not getting tied into another year contract with Vodafone. Do you have to register a new phone with Vodafone? I've already changed the details on the insurance policy.

flywheel

i only ever changed the insurance - never bother updating the voda site (unless your insurance is directly with vodafone then you might have to?)

they haven't officially supported it yet - so might not be possible to do anyhow - until they support the T610 (whenever that's going to be :rolleyes:)

jesus_thats_gre

Originally posted by DubWireless
i only ever changed the insurance - never bother updating the voda site (unless your insurance is directly with vodafone then you might have to?)

they haven't officially supported it yet - so might not be possible to do anyhow - until they support the T610 (whenever that's going to be :rolleyes:)

It actually is supported now, here are all the settings you will reuire for the phone as proof.




All settings (i.e. WAP, MMS, GPRS, WTLS)
All WAP Settings stored in two places
‘Data account’
Menu -> Connectivity -> Data communications -> Data Accounts
‘WAP account’
Menu -> Connectivity -> WAP Options -> WAP profiles
To activate profile
Menu -> Connectivity -> WAP Options -> WAP profiles
To enter settings
Menu -> Connectivity -> Data communications -> Data Accounts
Menu -> Connectivity -> WAP Options -> WAP profiles
To activate WTLS
Menu -> Connectivity -> WAP Options -> WAP profiles -> Select Vodafone Live!* -> Edit -> Advanced -> Security -> On / Off
*Name of profile security to be activated on

WAP GPRS settings (Default profile)
Data Account
Menu -> Connectivity -> Data communications -> Data Accounts – New account
Profile Name - WAP GPRS
APN – live.vodafone.com
User id - dublin
Password – dublin
The remainder of the settings (Password Request, Allow calls, IP address, DNS address, Advanced can be left as default)
WAP Account
Menu -> Connectivity -> WAP Options -> WAP profiles -> New profile
Profile Name – Vodafone Live!
Connect using – WAP GPRS
IP address – 010.024.059.100
Advanced
Homepage Name – Vodafone Live!
Homepage address – http://live.vodafone.com
User id – dublin
Password – dublin
Security – Off
Show pictures – On

WAP Home Settings
Data Account
Menu -> Connectivity -> Data communications -> Data Accounts – New account
Profile Name - WAP CSD
Phone number - +353 87 2292222
User id - dublin
Password – dublin
Data rate – 9.6K
Dial type – ISDN
The remainder of the settings (Password Request, DNS address, can be left as default)
WAP Account
To activate the WAP CSD account, all that needs to be changed is the Data account which the WAP profile is pointed to.
Menu -> Connectivity -> WAP Options -> WAP profiles
Profile Name – Vodafone Live!
Connect using – WAP CSD


MMS GPRS settings (Default profile)
Data Account
Menu -> Connectivity -> Data communications -> Data Accounts – New account
Profile Name – MMS GPRS
APN – mms.vodafone.net
User id - dublin
Password – dublin
The remainder of the settings (Password Request, Allow calls, IP address, DNS address, Advanced can be left as default)
WAP Account
Menu -> Connectivity -> WAP Options -> WAP profiles -> New profile
Profile Name – MMS GPRS
Connect using – MMS GPRS
IP address – 010.024.059.200
Advanced
Homepage address – Empty
User id – dublin
Password – dublin
Security – Off
Show pictures – On

All MMS Settings stored at
Menu -> Messaging -> Picture -> Options
Validity period – Maximum
Read report – Off
Delivery report – Off
Restrict messages
Home Network - Allow
Roaming network – Always ask
Filter – Neither options (Adverts, Anonynous) checked
Message server – http://www.vodafone.ie/mms
WAP Profile -> Select – MMS GPRS

Email Settings – items in red need to be set by the user after purchasing the phone, all others are pre-loaded.
Data Account
Menu -> Connectivity -> Data communications -> Data Accounts
Profile Name – Vodafone Mail
APN – isp.vodafone.ie
User id - vodafone
Password – vodafone
The remainder of the settings (Password Request, Allow calls, IP address, DNS address, Advanced can be left as default)
Email Account
Menu -> Messages -> Email -> Options -> Edit account -> Vodafone Mail
Profile Name – Vodafone Mail
Connect using – Vodafone Mail
Protocol – POP3
Incoming server – pop.vodafone.ie
Incoming port – 110
Mailbox – user dependant
Password – user dependant
Outgoing server – mail.vodafone.ie
Outgoing port – 25
Email address – User depandant
Download – Headers only
From name – User dependant
Signature – User dependant
Copy outgoing – Off
Check interval – Off

How to clear the cache
Not possible
Security codes

How to select a network manually
Menu –> Connectivity –> GSM networks -> Search Mode -> Manual
How to change Own number sending/Caller display
Not possible to set for all calls. Only possible to set when making call.
When number is entered More -> Call and hide ID
How to turn on/off delivery reports
Menu -> Messaging -> Text -> Options -> Status Request -> On / Off / Set on Send
Where to find the Message centre number
Menu -> Messaging -> Text -> Options -> Service centres
How to activate/deactivate the DTMF tones
Not possible
How to turn on/off the keypad lock
Not possible, clamshell device
Is the phone tri-band?
Yes
Manual selection process required to enable this?
No

jesus_thats_gre

They apply to the Z600 as well, suggests that it will be coming soon too.

flywheel

Originally posted by jesus_thats_gre
It actually is supported now,

Great news - that was a long time coming...

someone might want to tell Voda customer care though as they are still saying it's not listed / supported - looks like the settings haven't made it to their help system - isn't on the Voda website either... maybe when it hits the stores it will all be sorted...

good to see the MMS details get sorted - whoever in there put the T68i config texts together left the IP address out of the MMS settings they were passing out / listing online...

LFCFan

Originally posted by DubWireless
Great news - that was a long time coming...

someone might want to tell Voda customer care though as they are still saying it's not listed / supported

Yeah, I rang them on Friday to register my phone with them but it wasn't listed in their database.

Gunn4r

anyone have a release date for this phone??

jesus_thats_gre

Originally posted by LFCFan
Yeah, I rang them on Friday to register my phone with them but it wasn't listed in their database.

Yeah phones seem to be added to that in batches. Just tell em you have a T68i and that will set you up the same on the network.

flywheel

Originally posted by jesus_thats_gre
Yeah phones seem to be added to that in batches.

so if 'joe soap' calls up they are going to be told it's not supported yet?

LFCFan

Originally posted by DubWireless
so if 'joe soap' calls up they are going to be told it's not supported yet?

when I rang on Friday she told me she couldn't find the phone listed and put me on hold while she went off to ask someone. In the meantime I was disconnected and haven't bothered ringing back since.

jesus_thats_gre

As the people that generally man helpdesks dont actually have a personal interest in phones, it is very difficult to talk to them about anything specialised. This is to be expected though.

Ask them to set you up as a SE T68i as this supports pretty much the exact same network services as the T610. This will give you the correct APNs and will ensure you are correctly provisioned on the MMSC. This will ensure that you can access WAP and send MMS messages.

This should be ok if you do not have insurance on your account. If it is the case that you are a Bill customer and want the phone covered by insurance, instruct the CSR to include a comprehensive interaction on your account under the insurance heading to ensure that if there is any problems when you make a claim, it is all in writing on their systems. The handset should be added to the list relatively soon though.

jesus_thats_gre

I got a chance to use the 6600 briefly over the weekend. Really is a very nice phone. The size or shape was not really an issue for me. The interface was straightforward and the display was really impressive.

Shame Vodafone are not launching this till Feb sometime.

flywheel

Originally posted by JesusThatsGreat
As the people that generally man helpdesks dont actually have a personal interest in phones, it is very difficult to talk to them about anything specialised. This is to be expected though.

erm... just thought you had said it was supported with all the settings etc. posted - only problem was when a punter called Voda customer care about it they're told it wasn't... was wondering if anyone else had managed to get help (or if i was just experiencing that voda care lotto effect of not getting though to someone who would/could help)

that's more what i was asking - so i could correct myself saying it 'wasn't officially supported yet' incase anyone asked me - not a gague in how knowledgeable someone on Voda customer care was about handsets or answering 'specialised' questions - just if the phone was officially supported and if the settings/ basic assistance was available to 'joe punter' who called up - and unfortunately they wern't

BrianG

manchine

The 6600 is a WAP 2.0 phone, isn't it?

jesus_thats_gre

I love the sarcasm in your reply


What I meant was, they have a list of phones that have been launched on the network that have been fully tested on the network and operate with all services. Unfortunately, some simple thinking (narrow minded) CSRs have got it into their heads that these are the only handsets that work for the likes of MMS, WAP and the Email client. This as we know is not the case... It sound stupid but some people consider that to be complicated.. You gotta realise everyone is not as tech savvy as us.

So back to it.. The phone has passed testing on the network but it has not got onto that list yet. Hence, sometimes you may get a less knowledgable CSR who will tell you it is not supported, while some will know better and will help you out.

It may also be a surprise to you, but there is 50 things that would be bouncing arounds someone head in a call centre that are more important to them than the latest handset. Hopefully this will become a thing of the past however soon enough.

flywheel

you've missed my point, after i mentioned it wasn't officially supported on the network you replied back saying it was proving it with all the settings...

unfortunately 'joe punter' calling Voda about the handset would still be told it either didn't support the services or isn't approved on the network - so unless one actually worked for the company and had access to pre-released handset configs etc. they could kinda run into a brick wall

it may even make the cust care person's task even harder - with them being told it's not supported by the help system and joe punter saying they've been told it is and have the settings etc...

not much surprises me about Voda cust care - been through some truely amazing experiences over the years - positive, negative and pure surreal...

BrianG

flywheel

Originally posted by manchine
The 6600 is a WAP 2.0 phone, isn't it?

it sure is - here the developer's tech specs:
http://www.forum.nokia.com/main/1,6566,015_291,00.html

BrianG

jesus_thats_gre

Originally posted by DubWireless
you've missed my point, after i mentioned it wasn't officially supported on the network you replied back saying it was proving it with all the settings...

unfortunately 'joe punter' calling Voda about the handset would still be told it either didn't support the services or isn't approved on the network - so unless one actually worked for the company and had access to pre-released handset configs etc. they could kinda run into a brick wall

it may even make the cust care person's task even harder - with them being told it's not supported by the help system and joe punter saying they've been told it is and have the settings etc...

not much surprises me about Voda cust care - been through some truely amazing experiences over the years - positive, negative and pure surreal...

BrianG

Ah yeah, I know what you mean. I was simply trying to explain why it happens the way it does. I am not making excuses, nor am I saying its acceptable...

So Finally, the T610 has passed testing.