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chewy

creativity or vandalism? discuss

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Paddy20

It has to be acknowledged that a lot of Graffiti is in many circumstances and locations throughout the world, now regarded very highly as true creative art. In many cases many examples of Graffitti which were originally regarded as vandalism are now preserved as pure art.

In another part of Ireland, many walls covered with what was regarded as sectarian Graffiti or blatant vandalism are now preserved as examples of pure art.

In other countries attitudes have also changed. In New York some obviously talented social Graffiti artists are now encouraged and state funded .

How, we decide exactly what is vandalism in this regard is not as cut and dried as might at first appear.

Although obviously if someone sprayed obscenities on the wall of my house I would regard that as vandalism and prosecute the perpetrators.

P.

bonkey

Originally posted by chewy
creativity or vandalism? discuss

Chewy - the guidelines clearly state that if you want to start a topic, you are expected to offer your own thoughts on it first.

jc

Victor

I saw some today. Some muppet had sprayed "CIRA" on a pillar of someone's gardaen wall. Someone had overpainted it, letter for letter with "LOVE".

And while at the lower end of freedom of speech, all too often it is noise, not signal.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

why is this a political issue..?

when i was in cork i saw some interesting graffiti.. people had sprayed/written a few math theorems on the walls of the city

they had pythagoras's, and a few others I didn't recognise all worked out nice and neat.

prob the best bit of graffiti I've seen

on some back alley in arklow town, i saw someone had painted the words "the book" on a wall... nothing else, just "the book".. that was strange

Victor

Originally posted by Mordeth
when i was in cork i saw some interesting graffiti.. people had sprayed/written a few math theorems on the walls of the city they had pythagoras's, and a few others I didn't recognise all worked out nice and neat.

Well it beats the onetime "BIRTS OUT" (note the spelling).

Chaos-Engine

A friend of mine is an amazing Graffiti Artist. He has many many works all over dublin. A few months ago 7up or some advertising company working for them emplyed him to spraypaint their new 7Up ad in Tara St. Station. Fido Dido et al

He has some amazing works around Lexlip and out in Dundalk on the Peace Bridge

gandalf

Moving this to Art.

Gandalf.

Wook

Graffiti is cool , when it's done by some experts or 'artists'.
'Tags' are just boring, ugly and something done by kids who don't have the skills to make a decent graffiti piece.
Unfortantly 'Tags' is what i see the most...sad.

In Belgium (ghent), there is a streat where people can show off their skills without fear of being chased by coppers. It's just a streat with nothing but walls and connects two busy shopping markets. So there is a lot of people walking trough and not just a lost corner. They also catched some guy's spraying walls and had them do a special community job...They had to create pieces of art on every single public toilet in the city, and i have to say ..they look cool !

bloggs

Im sickened to see it done on street walls or on old buildings. I think special areas should be set up there people can express themselves instead of people defacing building and and such.

bloggs

Saw a funny one in London once, it had 'A N L

R U L E S' someone decided to put another A in there somewhere :rolleyes:

Sauron

I would call the beter examples of graffiti (eg big pieces) art...but its not so much art when its defacing buildings..etc....its fine in legal places. or places where no one goes...eg the inside of the blackrock baths are covered in graffiti and rarely, if ever seen...yet its still and illegal spot....real graffiti can be real art.....I also hate tags...and when muppets just write their name and such....:ninja:

Monkey

"I would call the beter examples of graffiti (eg big pieces) art...but its not so much art when its defacing buildings..etc....its fine in legal places. or places where no one goes...eg the inside of the blackrock baths are covered in graffiti and rarely, if ever seen...yet its still and illegal spot....real graffiti can be real art.....I also hate tags...and when muppets just write their name and such...."

Size has no relevance to how good a piece of graffiti is. What's the point in doing graffiti where no one will see it? I like seeing grafitti around the city.

Some grafitti is destructive and some is creative. The motivation of some people doing grafitti is defacing property. They right their name or "johnny is fag" or something on a wall or a bus-stop in marker or scratch in into a park bench or something like that. But some people's motivation is to create a creative piece of art in a public place. They brighten up dull parts of city's.

This is not vandalism in my opinion as vandalism does is damage done to property. This graffiti improves the places it is done the first one is a good example of bad grafitti and good grafitti

http://www.banksy.co.uk/9stencil.html

http://www.banksy.co.uk/a4stencil.html

http://www.banksy.co.uk/pops/images/cut-out-paris.jpg

DadaKopf

ART IS POLITICAL VANDALISM.

Sauron

Size has no relevance to how good a piece of graffiti is.

thats not what I meant.....I should have re-phased that. I meant good, more professional type pieces. graffiti can improve places...... eg old wrecked places.... but It shouldn't go on peoples garden walls... and currently used buildings....alleys are good places for graffiti......

Some grafitti is destructive and some is creative. The motivation of some people doing grafitti is defacing property. They right their name or "johnny is fag" or something on a wall or a bus-stop in marker or scratch in into a park bench or something like that. But some people's motivation is to create a creative piece of art in a public place. They brighten up dull parts of city's.

I'll agree with you there.

chewy

im obviously a big fan of graffiti

although im not big fan of tags unless there put in head to reach places or on particularly impresses places

ive started doing street art around town its much better then trying to a grant or show from the arts council

this is a political subject as a lot of graffiti in the stencil sense is political and even some of the traditioal stuff depending on whos spraying

i purposely didn't put this subject in art cos i wanted a wider view of the subject then those interested in art who would probably have a high percentage who like it and i wanted to get idea from those who don't

i chose society and if there was a general society board i would have put it under the subject politics isn't only about what mary harney did today ??

Panda

Sometimes art, sometimes vandalism.

mostly fun :ninja:
I have no can skillz, so i tried stencils.
you can beat instant results

There are certain places that it just looks bad and shouldnt be done imo, like on peoples walls in housing estates, or on peoples private property.
but its still done.