Pakistani businessman wants to convert historic convent into a Mosque

AnGaelach · 13-07-2017 11:54am #1

Not sure whether there's already a thread on the topic or not

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/row-breaks-out-over-proposed-plans-to-convert-historic-convent-into-mosque-35924150.html

Personally, I would be very much opposed to this. We are not an Islamic country, and while I believe in their right to practice their religion, I don't believe it should be extended to the construction of/conversion into mosques. It's just going to give the anti-Islamists something to harass by doing things like sending pages of the Quran and bacon, and we know all too well from the experiences in continental Europe how insidious Saudi money can be towards mosques.

I also can't imagine it doing too-well in Roscommon of all places.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1 · 13-07-2017 11:57am

I'd have absolutely no problem with it.

JMNolan · 13-07-2017 11:58am

I dunno, the demand for churches is falling and the demand for mosques is growing. If we don't do something with the buildings they'll be set on fire. Like St. Kevins in Cork

Joey Jo-Jo Junior · 13-07-2017 11:59am

AnGaelach wrote: »

while I believe in their right to practice their religion, I don't believe it should be extended to the construction of/conversion into mosques. It's just going to give the anti-Islamists something to harass by doing things like sending pages of the Quran and bacon,

Go back and read this bit again very very carefully. Very.

Duffy the Vampire Slayer · 13-07-2017 12:04pm

Ballaghaderreen has a large Muslim population so having a mosque there would make more sense than most places. The nearby town of Ballyhaunis has a mosque.

That said, I believe this is the same guy who poppped up claiming to speak for the Syrian refugees in Ballagh, complaining about everything. He seems like an utter prick who is trying to use the refugees to promote himself and pressure the government for funding.

johnnyskeleton · 13-07-2017 12:28pm

AnGaelach wrote: »

We are not an Islamic country, and while I believe in their right to practice their religion, I don't believe it should be extended to the construction of/conversion into mosques.

Where then should they practise their faith? Don't forget that the British refused to allow Catholic Churches to be built or retained, resulting in masses taking place at rocks and in fields. So basically not allowing people to have a house of worship is part of a campaign to deny them their right to practise their religion.

It's just going to give the anti-Islamists something to harass by doing things like sending pages of the Quran and bacon

That's a bit of a strange argument. Refuse to let people exercise their rights because it might encourage other people to harass them! It's not a million miles away from the argument that women should be forced into Burkhas to stop men objectifying them on the street.

and we know all too well from the experiences in continental Europe how insidious Saudi money can be towards mosques.

There is a legitimate issue of concern about Saudi government funding of mosques, particularly since the Saudi sponsored forms of Islam - Wahabism etc - tend to be extremist views. But this isn't a case of Saudi money paying for it. It seems to be one man taking on a project, not a State backed project.

Glenster · 13-07-2017 12:33pm

House for pretend Christian god gets magic water sprinkled on it and becomes house for pretend Islamic god. The world turns.

Instead of a priest in a dress preaching about how a book from 2000 years ago is the literal world of god and we're all sinners and women cant be priests and we should all fast and give him our money, there'll be someone with a different accent and a slightly newer book.

Gazzmonkey · 13-07-2017 12:34pm

JMNolan wrote: »

The demand for churches is falling and the demand for mosques is growing.

That doesn't sound good, Islam is on the march

Hilly Bill · 13-07-2017 12:36pm

It's being unoccupied for 20 years so what's wrong with someone wanting to use it again for a place of worship.?

AnGaelach · 13-07-2017 12:38pm

Hilly Bill wrote: »

It's being unoccupied for 20 years so what's wrong with someone wanting to use it again for a place of worship.?

The fact we're not an Islamic country?

bodice ripper · 13-07-2017 12:41pm

AnGaelach wrote:

The fact we're not an Islamic country?

So, you actually think there should be no non Catholic worship...?

Hitman3000 · 13-07-2017 12:42pm

AnGaelach wrote:

Personally, I would be very much opposed to this. We are not an Islamic country, and while I believe in their right to practice their religion, I don't believe it should be extended to the construction of/conversion into mosques. It's just going to give the anti-Islamists something to harass by doing things like sending pages of the Quran and bacon, and we know all too well from the experiences in continental Europe how insidious Saudi money can be towards mosques.

Once he uses private money no state funding to praise invisible friends/ deities etc and it is not used for radicalization, couldn't care less. Buildings down through the ages have been adapted for different purposes.

The_Kew_Tour · 13-07-2017 12:44pm

As a person who wants this country to help genuine people fleeing war his comments disappoint me.

If it's such a bad place they can go back to where they came from if they like. What he wants is these people to get nice big houses and cars while we work for it. I don't want them going without food and shelter and I don't want them in a kip but I guarantee what they have right now is 100 times better then what they fled.

biko · 13-07-2017 12:48pm

Info missing is what sect of Islam will attend the mosque?
Who will sponsor it? Saudi Arabia? Qatar?

Tbh, I'd rather not replace one bad religion with a worse one.

AnGaelach · 13-07-2017 12:48pm

bodice ripper wrote: »

So, you actually think there should be no non Catholic worship...?

No, I simply don't wish Islam to be endorsed in Ireland. We've seen the disastrous effect of allowing mosques to pop up in Britain and continental Europe. I'd rather not replicate it here.

Yourself isit · 13-07-2017 12:50pm

Glenster wrote: »

House for pretend Christian god gets magic water sprinkled on it and becomes house for pretend Islamic god. The world turns.

Instead of a priest in a dress preaching about how a book from 2000 years ago is the literal world of god and we're all sinners and women cant be priests and we should all fast and give him our money, there'll be someone with a different accent and a slightly newer book.

Catholicism never actually taught the Bible as literal.

El Weirdo · 13-07-2017 12:51pm

AnGaelach wrote: »

No, I simply don't wish Islam to be endorsed in Ireland. We've seen the disastrous effect of allowing mosques to pop up in Britain and continental Europe. I'd rather not replicate it here.

So, when you said...

AnGaelach wrote: »

...while I believe in their right to practice their religion...

... you were talking complete bollocks?

bodice ripper · 13-07-2017 12:53pm

AnGaelach wrote:

No, I simply don't wish Islam to be endorsed in Ireland. We've seen the disastrous effect of allowing mosques to pop up in Britain and continental Europe. I'd rather not replicate it here.

So...no mosques specifically. That seems a bit discriminatory.

Winterlong · 13-07-2017 12:53pm

What would you suggest to do with the building OP?
Convert it in to a night club? A pub? A cattle shed? Or just force the locals to start going to mass...regardless of their faith.

Hitman3000 · 13-07-2017 12:54pm

Yourself isit wrote:

Catholicism never actually taught the Bible as literal.

You ever hear about the Spanish Inquisition?

wanderer100 · 13-07-2017 12:55pm

AnGaelach wrote: »

No, I simply don't wish Islam to be endorsed in Ireland. We've seen the disastrous effect of allowing mosques to pop up in Britain and continental Europe. I'd rather not replicate it here.

So your saying if we have more mosques in this country, then there is more chance of a terrorist attack happening ???? These terrorists don't plot and scheme in mosques you know. You clearly have never been to a mosque before

AnGaelach · 13-07-2017 12:57pm

El Weirdo wrote: »

So, when you said...

... you were talking complete bollocks?

They can practice it in the privacy of their homes, but I certainly don't agree with endorsing it publicly. I'm also against allowing scientology to set up shop in Ireland, but that doesn't mean I'm going to force them to recant their beliefs or face the rod ffs.

Grayson · 13-07-2017 12:58pm

johnnyskeleton wrote: »

Where then should they practise their faith? Don't forget that the British refused to allow Catholic Churches to be built or retained, resulting in masses taking place at rocks and in fields. So basically not allowing people to have a house of worship is part of a campaign to deny them their right to practise their religion.

That's it. Try to make him figure out who he hates more, the brits or the muslims

AnGaelach · 13-07-2017 12:58pm

bodice ripper wrote: »

So...no mosques specifically. That seems a bit discriminatory.

Well that is because it is. You don't see Hindus blowing up children in Manchester, or Orthodox Christians radicalising themselves in preparation for religious conflict.

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Grayson · 13-07-2017 12:59pm

AnGaelach wrote: »

They can practice it in the privacy of their homes, but I certainly don't agree with endorsing it publicly. I'm also against allowing scientology to set up shop in Ireland, but that doesn't mean I'm going to force them to recant their beliefs or face the rod ffs.

yet a religion that locked up young women and protected paedophiles is grand.

AnGaelach · 13-07-2017 12:59pm

wanderer100 wrote: »

So your saying if we have more mosques in this country, then there is more chance of a terrorist attack happening ???? These terrorists don't plot and scheme in mosques you know. You clearly have never been to a mosque before

Where do you think radicalisation has occurred? We've already had an Islamic cleric tell us there's rampant radicalisation going on in the Mosque in Clonskeagh.

Or is he a filthy Islamaphobe?

Yourself isit · 13-07-2017 1:02pm

Hitman3000 wrote: »

You ever hear about the Spanish Inquisition?

What has that got to do with Bible literalism?

Grayson · 13-07-2017 1:02pm

AnGaelach wrote: »

Well that is because it is. You don't see Hindus blowing up children in Manchester, or Orthodox Christians radicalising themselves in preparation for religious conflict.

No you see hindus killing people who eat beef in India. You see hindu's committing honor attacks in the UK. You see Hindu's killing and rioting because there are muslims nearby in India.

Strangely you do occasionally see Irish Catholics blowing up kids in the UK. Or killing cops in Ireland. Should we think carefully about having Irish catholics who believe in a republic in this country?

Number of attack by Irish republicans in Ireland = fcuk loads.
Number of attacks by muslims = 0

But yeah, lets be scared of the brown skinned ones. They're soooooo dangerous.

AnGaelach · 13-07-2017 1:02pm

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That's a false dichotomy. Does political freedom in Germany extend to being members of neo-Nazi groups? No. We have the right, as a sovereign people, to choose who we wish to allow in our society and who we do not.

It's not an ultimate right that triumphs will.

Grayson wrote: »

yet a religion that locked up young women and protected paedophiles is grand.

Catholicism is on the decline, Islam is not. Catholicism isn't killing children and gearing itself up for religious war, Islam is.

You see how your whataboutery is essentially irrelevant?

Hitman3000 · 13-07-2017 1:02pm

[quote=AnGaelach Orthodox Christians radicalising themselves in preparation for religious conflict.[/quote]

I suggest you research some of the Christian groups in the States. BTW Jim Jones was a Christian.

Pakistani businessman wants to convert historic convent into a Mosque

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